Demo Graphics vs Album Covers

Retroplay · 05 December 2009, 02:39

These two fellas from Jesterday (Sanity) and Desert Dream (Kefrens)....

Looks suspiciously similar to these two album covers.

Kitty · 05 December 2009, 03:48

Also the alien in the below pic, I'm sure is used on the virus free pd disk labels and also on the bootblock splash screen, anyone remember/up disks to zone/confirm this?

thor · 05 December 2009, 12:30

The alien from the Tankard cover is used in Kefrens' Guardian Dragon 2.

Cougar/Sanity made two renditions of Motörhead album covers.

The artwork from Orgasmatron is used in Interference

The Rock 'n' Roll cover is used in Hospital Since Friday

I think I've seen Tankard's Two-Faced cover somewhere, but I could imagine things here.

Mogilny · 08 December 2009, 14:14

Cougar was one of my favourite graphicians because of those pics. Didn't have a clue it was renditions.

Mungo · 17 December 2009, 22:35

No worse for being 'renditions'.

It takes a stunning, stunning, amount of talent to come out with graphics that good. Regardless of the source of the original material.

bLAZER · 17 December 2009, 23:14

Meh, not if you had a scanner.

Mungo · 20 December 2009, 10:36

If you think these are scans, you are very mistaken.

skan · 20 December 2009, 11:02

Not only demos, but games too!

TCD · 20 December 2009, 11:06

...and here's the corresponding album cover

skan · 20 December 2009, 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

...and here's the corresponding album cover

Can't you see the very same image in my post?

TCD · 20 December 2009, 12:18

Nope

Seems like you hotlinked it and it doesn't show up.

skan · 20 December 2009, 12:31

Oh ok.
Well, since you filled the gap I won't edit my post anyway! ;P

Jope · 20 December 2009, 17:55

The most ancient fight in the scene.. Repaints - encouraged or frowned upon? Whatever.

For your pleasure: http://www.kameli.net/nocopy/

TCD · 20 December 2009, 18:08

Interesting site Jope

cosmicfrog · 20 December 2009, 18:19

great link there Jope

bLAZER · 20 December 2009, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mungo

If you think these are scans, you are very mistaken.

I don't think they're scans. I mean that if you scanned them then you could "just" tidy them up.

Mungo · 20 December 2009, 23:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by bLAZER

I don't think they're scans. I mean that if you scanned them then you could "just" tidy them up.

If only it were that easy.

Don't forget that scanners in those days were pretty awful things. Flat bed scanners were very, very expensive and those hand-held ones that you had to roll over your subject were simply terrible [faster, slower, sloooower, DAMMIT!].

We used one of the rollover types to get the original image of the F.A.S.T 'cartoon' that we modified in the 'F.A.R.T' demo we put out at the SAE party. It took me hours to get the damn thing looking anything like usable. And that was a simple monochrome cartoon. Alignment, noise, lost detail... It was hellish.

The other things that scream 'not a scan' from Cougar's pics :

- Correct aspect ratio - No resizing funnies
- Different perspectives. Especially apparent on the Orgasmatron picture.
- Detail levels. A lot of the detail would have been missed on a scanner - Again, the Orgasmatron picture has tonnes of detail that would have been 'merged' into the surrounding area.
- Colour palettes. This one especially. Cougar's colour selections look more vibrant than the originals. In 32 colours ffs! The guy's a genius!
- Clear differences between the original subject and Cougar's version. Check the teeth e.t.c.

Also things like the technique he's used for the fur effect on the dog. I mean c'mon, that's just amazing! There is no way that's coming from a scan in any way shape or form. It simply would not be possible.

And no, I don't think he used the 'trace onto clingfilm' technique either.

I remember that there was a similar fuss made back in 89 (I think) about a version of the Batman logo used in a D-Mob demo. People cried 'scan' then and were equally mistaken.

Love the old Man'O'War covers. So damn cheesey

edit@Jope: Nice site. I think it's pretty clear which of their two categories I fit into

bLAZER · 21 December 2009, 01:01

Did a test. This is the original with 50% transperency over the Amiga pic, and now I'm even more certain he used a scan as the base. Every little stone i exactly as on the album cover. And they align almost perfectly.

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Mungo · 21 December 2009, 11:25

Have you tried the same test with the Cougar pics?

chiark · 21 December 2009, 14:59

What I used to do, and I know others did, is trace an original onto acetate (OHP slides) and then stick that to the monitor.

Sure, it's not nearly as good as creating from scratch but I just didn't have the talent.

The point is that it needn't be a scan...

05 December 2009, 02:39	#1
Retroplay Lemon Curry ? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Denmark Age: 49 Posts: 4,110	Demo Graphics vs Album Covers These two fellas from Jesterday (Sanity) and Desert Dream (Kefrens).... Looks suspiciously similar to these two album covers. Last edited by Retroplay; 05 December 2009 at 02:47. Reason: typo

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Kitty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 1,532	Also the alien in the below pic, I'm sure is used on the virus free pd disk labels and also on the bootblock splash screen, anyone remember/up disks to zone/confirm this? Last edited by Kitty; 05 December 2009 at 10:08.

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05 December 2009, 12:30	#3
thor Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 899	The alien from the Tankard cover is used in Kefrens' Guardian Dragon 2. Cougar/Sanity made two renditions of Motörhead album covers. The artwork from Orgasmatron is used in Interference The Rock 'n' Roll cover is used in Hospital Since Friday I think I've seen Tankard's Two-Faced cover somewhere, but I could imagine things here.

08 December 2009, 14:14	#4
Mogilny Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Amiga 4-ever! Posts: 121	Cougar was one of my favourite graphicians because of those pics. Didn't have a clue it was renditions.

17 December 2009, 22:35	#5
Mungo ATX - For Fun Not Status Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 76	No worse for being 'renditions'. It takes a stunning, stunning, amount of talent to come out with graphics that good. Regardless of the source of the original material.

17 December 2009, 23:14	#6
bLAZER Awesome to the max Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gothenburg / Sweden Age: 48 Posts: 1,006	Meh, not if you had a scanner.

20 December 2009, 10:36	#7
Mungo ATX - For Fun Not Status Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 76	If you think these are scans, you are very mistaken.

20 December 2009, 11:02	#8
skan Dream Merchant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dreamlands Posts: 530	Not only demos, but games too!

20 December 2009, 11:06	#9
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,759	...and here's the corresponding album cover

20 December 2009, 12:18	#11
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,759	Nope Seems like you hotlinked it and it doesn't show up.

20 December 2009, 12:31	#12
skan Dream Merchant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dreamlands Posts: 530	Oh ok. Well, since you filled the gap I won't edit my post anyway! ;P

20 December 2009, 17:55	#13
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,879	The most ancient fight in the scene.. Repaints - encouraged or frowned upon? Whatever. For your pleasure: http://www.kameli.net/nocopy/

20 December 2009, 18:08	#14
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,759	Interesting site Jope

20 December 2009, 18:19	#15
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	great link there Jope

21 December 2009, 01:01	#18
bLAZER Awesome to the max Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gothenburg / Sweden Age: 48 Posts: 1,006	Did a test. This is the original with 50% transperency over the Amiga pic, and now I'm even more certain he used a scan as the base. Every little stone i exactly as on the album cover. And they align almost perfectly.

21 December 2009, 11:25	#19
Mungo ATX - For Fun Not Status Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 76	Have you tried the same test with the Cougar pics?

21 December 2009, 14:59	#20
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	What I used to do, and I know others did, is trace an original onto acetate (OHP slides) and then stick that to the monitor. Sure, it's not nearly as good as creating from scratch but I just didn't have the talent. The point is that it needn't be a scan...

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