All Psygnosis, all the time!

[rhester72]

Originally Posted by Abaddon

What NTSC versions of the games are still needed? I Uploaded Shadow Of The Beast II NTSC to the zone

I'm keeping the first page up to date. What's known to exist and still not preserved thus far (with your the most recent contributions that were Zoned or that have been purchased and are en route removed):

AWESOME
Bill's Tomato Game
Nitro
Prime Mover
Red Zone

[rhester72]

Originally Posted by Abaddon

If someone has the NTSC version of Bill's Tomato Game and uploads it to the zone I will add support for it in disk-analyse.

Also, could you take a look at the white set of Armour-Geddon NTSC? It doesn't even come close to decoding disks 1 or 2.

[Abaddon]

Originally Posted by rhester72

Also, could you take a look at the white set of Armour-Geddon NTSC? It doesn't even come close to decoding disks 1 or 2.

Will take a look at this either later today or tomorrow.

I will be uploading the IPF of Bill's Tomato Game to The Zone shortly. The game contains the code for protec protection verification, but it doesn't appear that it is called and track 0.1 is not recognized as a a protec track.

T0.0: AmigaDOS Long Track (105500 Bits)
T0.1: Unformatted*
T1.0-79.0: RNC PDOS (Early Variant)
T79.1: Unformatted*
T80.0-83.1: Unformatted
** WARNING: 2 tracks are damaged or unidentified!

Track T79.1 is not used and as I mentioned above T0.1 does not appear to be used either.

[Abaddon]

Uploaded Nitro NTSC raw dump to the Zone

[rhester72]

Originally Posted by Abaddon

I will be uploading the IPF of Bill's Tomato Game to The Zone shortly. The game contains the code for protec protection verification, but it doesn't appear that it is called and track 0.1 is not recognized as a a protec track.

T0.0: AmigaDOS Long Track (105500 Bits)
T0.1: Unformatted*
T1.0-79.0: RNC PDOS (Early Variant)
T79.1: Unformatted*
T80.0-83.1: Unformatted
** WARNING: 2 tracks are damaged or unidentified!

Track T79.1 is not used and as I mentioned above T0.1 does not appear to be used either.

Please also upload the flux dump as well if you don't mind.

[rhester72]

Originally Posted by Abaddon

Uploaded Nitro NTSC raw dump to the Zone

The conversion of this looks interesting:

*** T0.1: Unexpected track length (seen 101464, expected 110000)
T0.0: Psygnosis C - Track 0
T0.1: PROTEC
T1.0: Psygnosis C
T1.1-73.0: Psygnosis C - Custom RLL
T73.1-83.1: Unformatted

Is it because disk-analyze uses shorter PROTEC tracks than CAPS/SPS?

Also, do you know if your high score table is original/unmodified? It certainly looks that way, and is the first such I've seen!

[Abaddon]

Originally Posted by rhester72

Please also upload the flux dump as well if you don't mind.

I just have the ctraw dump that is in the zone. The disk I have is pretty messed up and can't be redumped as the disk has severely deteriorated.

T0: AmigaDOS Long Track (105500 Bits)
T1-60: RNC PDOS (Early Variant)
T61-78: Unformatted*
T79: RNC PDOS (Early Variant)
T80-83: Unformatted
Side 1:
T0: Unformatted
T1-51: RNC PDOS (Early Variant)
T52-79: Unformatted*
T80-83: Unformatted
** WARNING: 46 tracks are damaged or unidentified!

[Abaddon]

Originally Posted by rhester72

The conversion of this looks interesting:

*** T0.1: Unexpected track length (seen 101464, expected 110000)
T0.0: Psygnosis C - Track 0
T0.1: PROTEC
T1.0: Psygnosis C
T1.1-73.0: Psygnosis C - Custom RLL
T73.1-83.1: Unformatted

Is it because disk-analyze uses shorter PROTEC tracks than CAPS/SPS?

Also, do you know if your high score table is original/unmodified? It certainly looks that way, and is the first such I've seen!

The warning is rather odd as I just checked the track length and it is showing 111502 bit length.

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by Abaddon

Will take a look at this either later today or tomorrow.

I will be uploading the IPF of Bill's Tomato Game to The Zone shortly. The game contains the code for protec protection verification, but it doesn't appear that it is called and track 0.1 is not recognized as a a protec track.

T0.0: AmigaDOS Long Track (105500 Bits)
T0.1: Unformatted*
T1.0-79.0: RNC PDOS (Early Variant)
T79.1: Unformatted*
T80.0-83.1: Unformatted
** WARNING: 2 tracks are damaged or unidentified!

Track T79.1 is not used and as I mentioned above T0.1 does not appear to be used either.

Bill tomato is modified. I can blank track 79.0, however it is not normal that track 0.1 is empty. In the PAL release, this track is AmigaDOS long.

[Abaddon]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Bill tomato is modified. I can blank track 79.0, however it is not normal that track 0.1 is empty. In the PAL release, this track is AmigaDOS long.

The knackered copy I have has good track up until about 50 shows T0.1 as unformatted without the *. Would need another good copy to confirm.

[rhester72]

I've pretty thoroughly scrubbed eBay and Google Shopping (across multiple countries!) and have yet to see a NTSC release for sale. It appears to have not been very common in North America (in fact, I'd never heard of the game at all before CAPS).

I'll continue searching.

[Abaddon]

Originally Posted by rhester72

I've pretty thoroughly scrubbed eBay and Google Shopping (across multiple countries!) and have yet to see a NTSC release for sale. It appears to have not been very common in North America (in fact, I'd never heard of the game at all before CAPS).

I'll continue searching.

I have Red Zone NTSC, but it has one back track on disk 1 (Track 66 - sector 3 missing), which might be a mastering error. It does seem to work fine, but fails to install with WHDload. I remember reading in a thread that JOTD mentioned that the track was blank, so I will take a look.

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by Abaddon

I have Red Zone NTSC, but it has one back track on disk 1 (Track 66 - sector 3 missing), which might be a mastering error. It does seem to work fine, but fails to install with WHDload. I remember reading in a thread that JOTD mentioned that the track was blank, so I will take a look.

I have it too. I have both versions : NTSC and PAL. The error is on a track that is not used by the game.

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by Abaddon

The knackered copy I have has good track up until about 50 shows T0.1 as unformatted without the *. Would need another good copy to confirm.

ok, i have reworked your IPF, it has no more scores on it now (in the zone).

The game is like new when you got it in the shop.

[Abaddon]

Originally Posted by rhester72

Also, could you take a look at the white set of Armour-Geddon NTSC? It doesn't even come close to decoding disks 1 or 2.

I took a a look at the blue version and it decodes fine and the protec track passes the protection. See line 0002953e .

0002952a 0c41 4454                cmp.w #$4454,d1

0002952e 670e                     beq.b #$0e == $0002953e (T)

00029530 d080                     add.l d0,d0

00029532 51ca fff2                dbf.w d2,#$fff2 == $00029526 (F)

00029536 5285                     addq.l #$01,d5

00029538 51cb ffe6                dbf.w d3,#$ffe6 == $00029520 (F)

0002953c 600c                     bra.b #$0c == $0002954a (T)

0002953e 0485 0000 1a2c           sub.l #$00001a2c,d5                ;D5 = 00001ADA   

00029544 6b04                     bmi.b #$04 == $0002954a (F)

00029546 7000                     moveq #$00,d0

00029548 4e75                     rts  == $00026ee2

I will take a look at the white version shortly.

[rhester72]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

ok, i have reworked your IPF, it has no more scores on it now (in the zone).

The game is like new when you got it in the shop.

Are you sure that's how it was sold? Virtually all Psygnosis titles have a default high score list, not empty.

[rhester72]

If I can acquire another (NTSC) copy of Red Zone that exhibits exactly the same problem, can we (including SPS) collectively agree it _is_ indeed a confirmed mastering error and move on?

[Abaddon]

I took a look at the dump for the white version of Armour-Geddon and disk 1 is definitely a bad dump. Disk 2 and 3 seem ok.

[alexh]

Originally Posted by rhester72

If I can acquire another (NTSC) copy of Red Zone that exhibits exactly the same problem, can we (including SPS) collectively agree it _is_ indeed a confirmed mastering error and move on?

Unlikely. You'd have to prove that the game is incapable of reading the part of the disk that is not formatted.

I do have the disk dumps I did. They were done on an Amiga using the SPS software. I have a grease weasel these days but my NTSC copy of Red Zone is in storage and not easily accessible.

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by rhester72

Are you sure that's how it was sold? Virtually all Psygnosis titles have a default high score list, not empty.

The game writes track 79.0 in order to random generate the level codes.

The official IPF has the track 79.0 blanked.