Installing AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9 without CD reader

Hi !

There are ?none? standard classic Amigas provided with a CD reader !?

The official AmigaOS 3.5 (and 3.9) from Amiga Inc. and Haage Computers Gmbh preseumes that you have a reader connected. Why ?
Too big files to be placed on floppies ?

Is there a way to install without CD reader ? Not practical, need to copy 100 Mb onto floppies ?

Install on a HD (or CF) "off line" under WinUAE ?
Any suggestions or comments ?

Nice gaming and computing
Perran

[fitzsteve]

Here ya go:

http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/os39uae.html

[prowler]

Originally Posted by Perran

Install on a HD (or CF) "off line" under WinUAE ?

Hi Perran,

That's the best way to do it.

Originally Posted by Perran

Any suggestions or comments ?

If you have a 44-pin IDE HD, you will require a 2½-inch to 3½-inch hard drive adapter to connect it to your PC's IDE controller. You can use a CF card as well, but you will require the appropriate adaptor(s) as well.

You can mount the drive in WinUAE provided it has not been assigned a drive letter by Windows.

You will need to set the WinUAE configuration exactly to match the Amiga machine that the drive is being prepared for (with the exception of the CD-ROM drive), then proceed exactly as you would if you were preparing the hard drive in your real Amiga.

Good luck!

Edit: Of course, Thomas Rapp's guide to installing OS3.9 on WinUAE should give you all the information you need. Thanks, Steve!

[thomas]

If you've got a PCMCIA CF card reader you can use this method: http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=516901&postcount=4

[Nipedley]

Hi Perran, I had a bit of a struggle with this myself a couple of months ago. I found the best way was to mount my hard drive in winUAE (I have a compactflash) and install it in there, then transfer the drive back into my amiga once it was done.

Good luck!

Tried to follow the Thomas Rapp procedure (refered above). It was OK to install 3.9 on a PC HD. My separate Amiga HDs was not detected in WinUAE (there is a lot of discussions round that problem here).
So, in my A3000, there is an IDE HD connected to a Zorro Buddah board. I instralled 3.1 on that one using floppies (in the Amiga). I connected an IDE CDROM to the 44 pin extra connector on the Buddah (the standard PC 40 pin connector is used for the internal HD). Of course I used a 44p -> 40p converter and separate power to the CDROM.
I could not see any signs of life in the CDROM, and no traces of its existence in the WB3.1 commands (Info, showconfig etc).

(The A3000 has got new fresh Kick3.1 PROMs).

My latest idea was to connect a SCSI_1 CDROM unit (actually a Plextor, has done a lot of work in my lab). I used the internal 50p connector on the motherboard. I used some different addresses (/= 0).
I thought this should be autodetected because the machine is designed as it is.

But the CDROM "masked out" the HD on the IDE bus, so the Amiga did not autoboot (I got the Amiga logo screen with the hand and the floppy). I inserted the WB3.1 floppy, and Amiga booted correctly.

Should I have a "blank" SCSI HD, and install WB3.1 onto it, and then try to install 3.5 and then 3.9 on it, using the CDROM ?

WinUAE seems to be practical, but my HDs are not deteected.
Any good idea or recommendation ?

Thanks from Perran

[orange]

i usually just use the 'assign', works great.
also, there's 'virtualcd' on aminet.

oh, and immediately after starting the installer, I move the old workbench (3.1) to a subdir (then choose new install).
AmigaOS doesn't seem to mind it!

[cosmicfrog]

you need a working WB then you need to install a CD fileing system before you can use your CD drive, either that be a virtual CD or a real CD drive

a quick search on aminet gives us AmiCDROM for a cd filesystem which should give u a start
http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/AmiCDROM-1.15

[orange]

no, he can transfer the .iso or .lha with ftp or samba from pc.

iirc, the only thing to keep in mind is that boingbags require some large media files as copyprotection.

[cosmicfrog]

been able to transfer stuff from the pc to amiga is not the same as been able to read a cd image or disk

yep boingbags need 2 avi`s and an mp3 or something like that but if you do a search on here about serial and boingbag you will find out how to unpack them

[orange]

i don't see the need for cd drive on any amiga, except cd32 or cdtv.

[prowler]

Originally Posted by orange

i don't see the need for cd drive on any amiga, except cd32 or cdtv.

Maybe not, but if your Amiga does have one, it sure is useful.

[Vicky]

Originally Posted by Nipedley

Hi Perran, I had a bit of a struggle with this myself a couple of months ago. I found the best way was to mount my hard drive in winUAE (I have a compactflash) and install it in there, then transfer the drive back into my amiga once it was done.

Good luck!

This process doesn't work. I followed the instructions and my Amiga wouldn't boot.

[Vicky]

Originally Posted by orange

i usually just use the 'assign', works great.
also, there's 'virtualcd' on aminet.

oh, and immediately after starting the installer, I move the old workbench (3.1) to a subdir (then choose new install).
AmigaOS doesn't seem to mind it!

I didn't understand the first line.

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

you need a working WB then you need to install a CD fileing system before you can use your CD drive, either that be a virtual CD or a real CD drive

a quick search on aminet gives us AmiCDROM for a cd filesystem which should give u a start
http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/AmiCDROM-1.15

This is without a CD Reader. See the title.

[FOL]

Originally Posted by Vicky

This process doesn't work. I followed the instructions and my Amiga wouldn't boot.

It does, alsong as you have everything selected / setup correctly in WinUAE.
Did you set your boot partition as bootable?

Originally Posted by Vicky

I didn't understand the first line.



This is without a CD Reader. See the title.

Assign, you can use the assign to command to make the computer think dir / drive x is dir / drive y.

Assign test: test2: <- This tells computer to assign test to test2.
So cd test: will dir to test2:.

Cosmic Frog was talking about either iso mounting or real cd mounting. You still need a filesystem.

[Vot]

It works fine... I got a dual boot 3.1 / 3.9 setup that I made in winuae with the help of abs and startup scripts that change the assigns to the right volume. Mine was further complicated by the install being done onto a pfs,volume.

I will look for the instructions I used you had to have the right volume name for the mounted volume acting as the cd.....

Edit...

Actually the instructions shown above are the ones I used. I just mounted the Amiga cd with virtualcd in windows and followed the instructions.

The hardest part is getting the right device number!

[orange]

Originally Posted by Vicky

This process doesn't work. I followed the instructions and my Amiga wouldn't boot.

make sure you run necessary setpatch or similar if the drive is over 4Gb ! if using pfs3, try it with 'Direct Scsci' version.

[A3000T]

I need to get the cd working.
I have a A3000T 2megs graphic ram and 6megs other ram.
I installed Buddha IDE newest one I purchased from Individual Computers in Germany about 3 weeks ago. I was able to get my IDE hard drive installed and working. I am having problems with installing the CD rom.

I use find cd and it shows a 2 TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R51 and I chose it.
I run the Install CD and use the novice setting.
I chose all the defaults but when I get to specify directory I chose Work1:Buddha.
In find device the ONLY choice I have is Buddha_atapi.device I get a error message:
Failed to initialize: Can't find BUDDHA Semaphore!
Probably the IDE drivers not loaded!

I must cancel.
Anyone that has a Buddha any help to solve the problem would most helpful.

[A3000T]

Originally Posted by Perran

Hi !

There are ?none? standard classic Amigas provided with a CD reader !?

The official AmigaOS 3.5 (and 3.9) from Amiga Inc. and Haage Computers Gmbh preseumes that you have a reader connected. Why ?
Too big files to be placed on floppies ?

Is there a way to install without CD reader ? Not practical, need to copy 100 Mb onto floppies ?

Install on a HD (or CF) "off line" under WinUAE ?
Any suggestions or comments ?

Nice gaming and computing
Perran

Yes, you can install a Buddha IDE board in a zorro slot and use a IDE hard drive, up to 4.
But if you see my post I am having problems getting a CD-ROM to work, I too have the same problems of too large files to transfer by using PC dos as it truncates the file names and in all folders. I can't use a null cable as my windozzz computer is 30 feet away from my Amiga A3000T. hope this helps

[thomas]

Originally Posted by A3000T

I run the Install CD and use the novice setting.

You should never choose novice mode. Novice mode means you are asked no questions. If your system is not set up exactly the way the script's auther thought, then it will fail.
Always select at least advanced mode. Expert gives you the highest level of control.

I use find cd and it shows a 2 TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R51 and I chose it.
...
In find device the ONLY choice I have is Buddha_atapi.device I get a error message:

I don't understand why this happens twice. And why are you unable to select the CD drive the second time when it worked ok the first time?

Maybe due to novice mode it tries to install a ZIP drive or something else you don't have.