Amiga 1200 Vampire Cards - Page 2

Adrian Browne · 11 October 2016, 03:16

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Originally Posted by kipper2k

Time to clear the air a bit, The v500+ board has been submitted for fabrication today, it has same features as the v500, same ram as v600 and will also host an 8 pin IO header for expansion. Several people have already expressed interest in adding a Wifi header to it so things are looking good.

The a1200 connectors are more of a cost headache and not really a problem to the actual design which is almost complete. It is running a little slower than we want but in all reality it is giving us a chance to play catchup on outstanding requests.

We expect a lot of orders to be completed by xmas.

And what will a vampire 1200 board cost? I might want one. But maybe I could resucitate my old a500.

demolition · 11 October 2016, 10:27

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Originally Posted by Signman

Aren't they all going to do basically the same thing, take over most of the Amiga and replace with it's own architecture?

The current Vampire works just like an old-fashioned accelerator combined with an RTG board. You could have all this 25 years ago, but the Vampire is just faster in all aspects. It doesn't 'take over' much of the Amiga - basically only the CPU. If/when they implement SAGA, then it could take over the ECS chips, although it would probably be possible to select whether to use ECS or SAGA (or they would run in parallel).

The planned standalone Vampire is of course a different matter. For this version, they obviously need to implement then entire Amiga chipset in the FPGA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kipper2k

Time to clear the air a bit, The v500+ board has been submitted for fabrication today, it has same features as the v500, same ram as v600 and will also host an 8 pin IO header for expansion. Several people have already expressed interest in adding a Wifi header to it so things are looking good.
We expect a lot of orders to be completed by xmas.

Great news. Looking forward to seeing the V500 become available for the masses.

Exit · 11 October 2016, 12:38

yes the vampire is a good thing, finally you can do more things with your miggy, so its a good expansion

waiting on the v1200 now

splineman · 11 October 2016, 15:01

Great to hear kipper2k!

zerohour1974 · 11 October 2016, 22:38

Glad that the A1200 Vampire is still possible. Cool Kipper2K

Marchie · 12 October 2016, 06:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by kipper2k

Time to clear the air a bit, The v500+ board has been submitted for fabrication today, it has same features as the v500, same ram as v600 and will also host an 8 pin IO header for expansion. Several people have already expressed interest in adding a Wifi header to it so things are looking good.

We expect a lot of orders to be completed by xmas.

Sounds fantastic, keep it up Vampire team!

eXeler0 · 12 October 2016, 15:11

@Kipper2k any idea when (approximately) the final design of the V1200 will be announced?

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puppypc · 17 December 2016, 19:54

I don't know if the latest Vampire releases have still required the owner to send proof of their kickstart, but from what I've read people needed to have an official copy of 3.1.
My question is: If that requirement is still around by the time the V1200 is released, will we be able to provide a 3.x kickstart instead?

I hope this doesn't inspire another round of people complaining about the Vampire, I just want to know if I should buy a set of 3.1 ROMs in preparation.

Samurai_Crow · 17 December 2016, 19:57

It will cost less to buy the license for the Kickstart than the ROM in all likelihood.

demolition · 17 December 2016, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by puppypc

I don't know if the latest Vampire releases have still required the owner to send proof of their kickstart, but from what I've read people needed to have an official copy of 3.1.

The requirement to supply ROM images was only during the pre-order period - they now buy KS licenses for all boards they make and it is included in the price. I have not heard about any plans to upgrade the built-in KS to some 3.9 or the weird 3.X version.

puppypc · 17 December 2016, 20:46

Great, thanks for the info demolition. I tried reading through pages and pages of threads to see if that was the case, but never ran across it.
Even though my A1200 has 3.x instead of 3.1, I bet the Vampire will work fine.

demolition · 17 December 2016, 20:58

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Originally Posted by puppypc

Even though my A1200 has 3.x instead of 3.1, I bet the Vampire will work fine.

The Vampire doesn't use the installed KS ROM at all - you don't even need to have any ROM chips installed so you might as well sell them or use in another non-Vampirized Amiga.

Retrofan · 27 January 2017, 21:41

What the progress are on the V1200 card by now? Just wondering.

amigatv · 27 January 2017, 22:30

http://www.majsta.com/modules.php?na...index&catid=10

Retrofan · 27 January 2017, 23:49

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Originally Posted by amigatv

http://www.majsta.com/modules.php?na...index&catid=10

That's outdated. This was later:

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Originally Posted by kipper2k

This little bit of news below probably deserves its own thread but here it is anyway.

We have found a manufacturer to make the A1200 connectors!!! so the V1200 is all set!!!. (It is not in Germany)

More details later

... "More details later" is what I am asking now.

Edit: And we can never thank enough someone that makes this:

Quote:

So far I have sent anywhere between 200-300 mails and made lot of phone calls with every person who had in his hands connector at least similar to what we need here. Searched over old newsgroups, tracked down people who owned Amiga shops 20 years ago, talked with every card edge manufacturer or reseller in the World. Even talked to Fujitsu directly.

ancalimon · 27 January 2017, 23:51

I wish Vampire1200 can be made faster so that we can watch 720p youtube videos.

eXeler0 · 28 January 2017, 00:08

I suspect the the design of the board itself might not be the biggest hurdle. Seeing the V500 V2+ in action, I think most technical, issues are already solved. At least in theory.

The practical issue is probably the manufacturing part.
I seem to remember Gunnar saying the V500 V2+ will be produced in quantities of about 200 / month.
This tells me it's being manufactured by Majsta alone (and his pick and place machine). (Kipper2k is currently medically unable to solder.)

So considering the V600 backlog + all the waiting V500 orders.. Would it really be wise to release the V1200 too?
Unless production bottlenecks can be dealt with, the V1200 is probably not going to be released in parallel to 2 other products already struggling with demand.

The way I see it, the V1200 might as well wait and get the benefit of a more mature core + possibly drivers for the stuff that goes into the connection ports (WiFi module, etc)

Retrofan · 28 January 2017, 00:22

Thanks a lot eXeler0, but I would like to have some input from time to time. As you've seen last update from Majsta on his site is from May 14 2016.

Anakirob · 28 January 2017, 04:12

I've often wondered if demand played any part in which models of Amiga were supported. By this I mean is the A1200 version a tertiary priority for the Apollo team because the demand for an A1200 unit would be far too great for them to even begin to consider because they would have no chance of keeping up with the demand with their current manufacturing process?

Signman · 28 January 2017, 04:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anakirob

I've often wondered if demand played any part in which models of Amiga were supported. By this I mean is the A1200 version a tertiary priority for the Apollo team because the demand for an A1200 unit would be far too great for them to even begin to consider because they would have no chance of keeping up with the demand with their current manufacturing process?

I always thought A500 owners out numbered the 1200.
Is this not so?

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eXeler0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 2,946	@Kipper2k any idea when (approximately) the final design of the V1200 will be announced? Skickat från min LG-H850 via Tapatalk

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puppypc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Greensboro, NC USA Age: 32 Posts: 116	I don't know if the latest Vampire releases have still required the owner to send proof of their kickstart, but from what I've read people needed to have an official copy of 3.1. My question is: If that requirement is still around by the time the V1200 is released, will we be able to provide a 3.x kickstart instead? I hope this doesn't inspire another round of people complaining about the Vampire, I just want to know if I should buy a set of 3.1 ROMs in preparation.

17 December 2016, 19:57	#29
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,186	It will cost less to buy the license for the Kickstart than the ROM in all likelihood.

17 December 2016, 20:46	#31
puppypc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Greensboro, NC USA Age: 32 Posts: 116	Great, thanks for the info demolition. I tried reading through pages and pages of threads to see if that was the case, but never ran across it. Even though my A1200 has 3.x instead of 3.1, I bet the Vampire will work fine.

27 January 2017, 21:41	#33
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	What the progress are on the V1200 card by now? Just wondering.

27 January 2017, 22:30	#34
amigatv Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sthm/Sweden Posts: 75	http://www.majsta.com/modules.php?na...index&catid=10

28 January 2017, 00:08	#37
eXeler0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 2,946	I suspect the the design of the board itself might not be the biggest hurdle. Seeing the V500 V2+ in action, I think most technical, issues are already solved. At least in theory. The practical issue is probably the manufacturing part. I seem to remember Gunnar saying the V500 V2+ will be produced in quantities of about 200 / month. This tells me it's being manufactured by Majsta alone (and his pick and place machine). (Kipper2k is currently medically unable to solder.) So considering the V600 backlog + all the waiting V500 orders.. Would it really be wise to release the V1200 too? Unless production bottlenecks can be dealt with, the V1200 is probably not going to be released in parallel to 2 other products already struggling with demand. The way I see it, the V1200 might as well wait and get the benefit of a more mature core + possibly drivers for the stuff that goes into the connection ports (WiFi module, etc)

28 January 2017, 00:22	#38
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	Thanks a lot eXeler0, but I would like to have some input from time to time. As you've seen last update from Majsta on his site is from May 14 2016.

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Anakirob Unregistered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tasmania Age: 42 Posts: 893	I've often wondered if demand played any part in which models of Amiga were supported. By this I mean is the A1200 version a tertiary priority for the Apollo team because the demand for an A1200 unit would be far too great for them to even begin to consider because they would have no chance of keeping up with the demand with their current manufacturing process?

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