KTRL CD32 - Amiga CD32 custom gamepad - Page 12

Amiga1992 · 16 May 2018, 19:06

OK I went ahead and did the following tests with that slave.

- Test with regular CD32 controller: blue button activates power up (as expected)
- Test with Sega Mega Drive 6 button pad using robinsonb's CD32 adapter: "blue" button activates power up (as expected)
- Test with Sega Mega Drive 6 button pad connected directly: C button activates power up (as expected)

I don't have a Master System-like pad to test with but the one I was expecting to fail was the test with robinsonb's adapter (which is similar to KTRL) and it didn't fail.

Can anybody else with a KTRL pad test this to see if it's one unit that is the problem or a generalized issue?

Retroplay · 16 May 2018, 19:22

Can somebody please test latest AlienBreed_v2.1_0998 with a KTRL ?
When I walk up to a terminal and press BLUE it enters Intex menu but as soon as I exit it just enters Intex again.

Battle Squadron WHDLoad on the other hand works great on KTRL with the improved CD32 controls.
Aladdin WHDLoad also works flawless with CD32 controls, so my pad seems to be working great.

MickGyver · 16 May 2018, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retroplay

@MickGyver
I can't get 2nd button to work in Project-X for weapon select, is this perhaps a known issue or just my "luck" ?
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...1&postcount=46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retroplay

Can somebody please test latest AlienBreed_v2.1_0998 with a KTRL ?
When I walk up to a terminal and press BLUE it enters Intex menu but as soon as I exit it just enters Intex again.

Battle Squadron WHDLoad on the other hand works great on KTRL with the improved CD32 controls.
Aladdin WHDLoad also works flawless with CD32 controls, so my pad seems to be working great.

I'm truly sorry to hear that, somebody else had a similar problem. It seems there is an issue with some games / machines and my gamepad. I have to do some further testing. Might be some issue with the updated design of the the new PCBs (a few components have changed). I will not make any more gamepads until I have this issue solved.

Luckily I haven't sent out too many gamepads yet. I'm looking into this now and will hopefully find the reason soon.

To the ones who has issues with the gamepad, let me know, I will do my best to sort it out! I have put a lot of time and effort into this project so I'm sad to see there are still some issues.

I advise you to wait with using the gamepad until I find the cause of the problem, thanks for your understanding and again, I'm sorry about this.

DanyPPC · 16 May 2018, 22:05

A good test is to use the Joyporttest tool from aminet:
http://aminet.net/package/driver/input/JoyPortTest

If the joypad works well in lowlevel.library mode then it will work properly with WHDLoad games.

Retroplay · 16 May 2018, 22:16

Shoot, only dpad and red button is detected on my rev 1.D4 A1200 in that program (WB3.1 + lowlevel.library 40.35).

MickGyver · 16 May 2018, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retroplay

Shoot, only dpad and red button is detected on my rev 1.D4 A1200 in that program (WB3.1 + lowlevel.library 40.35).

Please return the gamepad to me, I will send you a PM.

Chain · 17 May 2018, 00:01

https://www.ebay.com/itm/USBASP-USBI.../142664290181?

will this work for reprogramming?

MickGyver · 17 May 2018, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chain

https://www.ebay.com/itm/USBASP-USBI.../142664290181?

will this work for reprogramming?

Yes (needs to be connected with separate dupont wires like these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/10cm-2-54mm...8AAOSwcB5ZMSaC ). I'm investigating the code now. What I first thought was a bug was actually not. There is one thing I will try. Will do some more troubleshooting. I will get back to you with the updated software.

MickGyver · 17 May 2018, 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retroplay

Yes, ProjectX_v1.3_0886.
As I said, no problems using my Wico Command Control.
I also have the same issue with Project-X SE (ProjectXSE_v1.5_0927), no weapon select, instead it toggles bottom status bar and top highscore/lives bar on and off.

I just tested this version of Project X on my A1200 with a KTRL gamepad. Both red and blue buttons work for me so the issue is probably hardware related, something with a problem switching between cd32 mode and two button mode on some Amigas. I will do some further testing...

-Acid- · 17 May 2018, 00:32

You could test it on a shareware game called Outfall (F1 Licenceware). On a real CD32 pad no buttons register but the d-pad does for some strange reason. It might like your new pad.

MickGyver · 17 May 2018, 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Acid-

You could test it on a shareware game called Outfall (F1 Licenceware). On a real CD32 pad no buttons register but the d-pad does for some strange reason. It might like your new pad.

Thanks for the tip. The dpad works because it is directly wired to pins 1-4 like on a "normal" joystick. The buttons are handled differently. All buttons are shifted out on pin 9 if pin 5 if LOW, if pin 5 is HIGH, the gamepad acts as a two button joystick with red being button 1 (pin 6) and blue being button 2 (pin 9).

I'm thinking that the game might set pin 5 LOW (by mistake) so the gamepad is forced into CD32 mode, while still trying to read the buttons as a normal two button joystick.

17 May 2018, 12:08

Kit received, waiting on bugfixes before assembling. Might need some soldering practice, too....

On a related note, a ten year old chinese knock-off SNES pad seems to have near perfect fit, with three plastic tabs lining up with the three holes on the new PCB perfectly, only the bottom screw mount needing a few microns of dremeling. The plastic is a bit cheap, though, might still want a new case. And the US color schemes on the buttons wont absolutely do. Drab...

Embedding doesn't seem to work for me, so here's a link to a picture.

https://imgur.com/a/H3F3rXh

A proper SNES pad for comparison, likely would not work, and a Honeybee SF-3 for completeness sake. A bit too big.

Amiga1992 · 17 May 2018, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickGyver

Both red and blue buttons work for me so the issue is probably hardware related, something with a problem switching between cd32 mode and two button mode on some Amigas.

I think you might want to read this thread:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=73618

Hope it helps.

lord of time · 21 May 2018, 11:05

Can you please put me down for 1 complete pad? thank you.

MickGyver · 23 May 2018, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I think you might want to read this thread:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=73618

Hope it helps.

Thanks, I had read that earlier but it helped me now when I was troubleshooting!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumimono

Kit received, waiting on bugfixes before assembling. Might need some soldering practice, too....

On a related note, a ten year old chinese knock-off SNES pad seems to have near perfect fit, with three plastic tabs lining up with the three holes on the new PCB perfectly, only the bottom screw mount needing a few microns of dremeling. The plastic is a bit cheap, though, might still want a new case. And the US color schemes on the buttons wont absolutely do. Drab...

Embedding doesn't seem to work for me, so here's a link to a picture.

https://imgur.com/a/H3F3rXh

A proper SNES pad for comparison, likely would not work, and a Honeybee SF-3 for completeness sake. A bit too big.

I have designed the PCB to fit several knock-off SNES gamepads, it won't fit the original SNES gamepad case, since the shoulder buttons pads relies on being fastened to the main PCB, there's also some other minor differences with the original case and the knock-off case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phantomphanatic

Hi Mick,
I'd be interested in a complete pad.
Been mucking around with some adapters that work fine with mice but no joy with a game pad. I may not be able to play any games properly but at least my Amiga has a working mouse now!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggo

Hey Mick,
These gamepads look amazing! Can you please add me to your list? I'm interested in buying two black ones, assembled and tested.
Thank you for your work!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prosonic

looking for 2 Full Kit: ~29€

add me to the list please

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonoedgey

Hello there
First things first, thank you for doing this for the community MickGyver

Now if I may..
I would like to be marked down if I could for 2 assembled controllers when I can

Thank you again for your time

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord of time

Can you please put me down for 1 complete pad? thank you.

You are all on my list, I'm sorry for the delay in confirming!

Quote:

Originally Posted by seadrive

Back in the day I only used a 1 button controller with my Amiga, were there any games that would support extra buttons except the CD32? Regardless of the answer, I am trying to get better at soldering since I still stink, so I would like to buy 2 kits, so please add me. And as many have mentioned, the fact that you invested the time and resources to make something like this possible via adapting snes usb controllers is simply fantastic for this community....

There are quite a few games supporting a second button. Check this list out: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=57540 . You are on my list! You will need to be able to solder SMD components, not tooo hard when you know the technique. Also, using solder paste instead of solder wire helps a lot in my opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fractalsister

I'd also like to get in line for an assembled pad. Preferably black, but not that important.

I'm going to Retrospelsmässan in Gothenburg on Saturday to showcase my game Thy Sword. I will bring a few KTRL CD32 gamepads with me so if you are going...

I have now fixed a bug in the firmware that could cause problems on some A1200 machines. It took me about 40 effective hours to troubleshoot

. I have also replaced a few capacitors to make the signal slightly faster, this could help on some machines. If you have already received a gamepad and have problems, please get in touch and I will do my best to get it sorted out.

The controllers I will make from now on will have the new capacitors and the new firmware. Capacitor changes:

C3, C9 from 100pF to 22pF
C4 from 1000pF to 100pF

I will resume assembly of gamepads after the weekend.

23 May 2018, 18:58

I just want to say that I received my pad a couple of weeks ago and it has breathed new life in to my Amiga CD32. It has worked well with every game that I have tried so far (with the exception of Giana Sisters as it doesn't always properly acknowledge a left d-pad keypress), and I'm finding it to be an excellent pad overall!

Thanks!

donnie · 23 May 2018, 19:40

excellent work.

i would like to buy an assembled ktrl when you have one ready.

MickGyver · 23 May 2018, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by donnie

excellent work.

i would like to buy an assembled ktrl when you have one ready.

You are on my list! Are you going to Retrospelsmässan on Saturday? I will bring a few gamepads there.

donnie · 23 May 2018, 19:59

Sadly no. If it was in Stockholm i might have.

eXeler0 · 02 June 2018, 01:19

@MickGyver Money sent and PM replied.
I was (of course) at Retrospelsmässan last weekend, didn't read this until now, so I must have missed you. Were you in the big hall or the smalller one with the pinball machines and indie games?

16 May 2018, 19:22	#222
Retroplay Lemon Curry ? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Denmark Age: 49 Posts: 4,079	Can somebody please test latest AlienBreed_v2.1_0998 with a KTRL ? When I walk up to a terminal and press BLUE it enters Intex menu but as soon as I exit it just enters Intex again. Battle Squadron WHDLoad on the other hand works great on KTRL with the improved CD32 controls. Aladdin WHDLoad also works flawless with CD32 controls, so my pad seems to be working great. Last edited by Retroplay; 16 May 2018 at 19:30.

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16 May 2018, 19:06	#221
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	OK I went ahead and did the following tests with that slave. - Test with regular CD32 controller: blue button activates power up (as expected) - Test with Sega Mega Drive 6 button pad using robinsonb's CD32 adapter: "blue" button activates power up (as expected) - Test with Sega Mega Drive 6 button pad connected directly: C button activates power up (as expected) I don't have a Master System-like pad to test with but the one I was expecting to fail was the test with robinsonb's adapter (which is similar to KTRL) and it didn't fail. Can anybody else with a KTRL pad test this to see if it's one unit that is the problem or a generalized issue?

16 May 2018, 22:05	#224
DanyPPC Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Italy Posts: 729	A good test is to use the Joyporttest tool from aminet: http://aminet.net/package/driver/input/JoyPortTest If the joypad works well in lowlevel.library mode then it will work properly with WHDLoad games.

16 May 2018, 22:16	#225
Retroplay Lemon Curry ? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Denmark Age: 49 Posts: 4,079	Shoot, only dpad and red button is detected on my rev 1.D4 A1200 in that program (WB3.1 + lowlevel.library 40.35).

17 May 2018, 00:01	#227
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	https://www.ebay.com/itm/USBASP-USBI.../142664290181? will this work for reprogramming?

17 May 2018, 00:32	#230
-Acid- Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: South Shields Posts: 812	You could test it on a shareware game called Outfall (F1 Licenceware). On a real CD32 pad no buttons register but the d-pad does for some strange reason. It might like your new pad.

17 May 2018, 12:08	#232
Kumimono Posts: n/a	Kit received, waiting on bugfixes before assembling. Might need some soldering practice, too.... On a related note, a ten year old chinese knock-off SNES pad seems to have near perfect fit, with three plastic tabs lining up with the three holes on the new PCB perfectly, only the bottom screw mount needing a few microns of dremeling. The plastic is a bit cheap, though, might still want a new case. And the US color schemes on the buttons wont absolutely do. Drab... Embedding doesn't seem to work for me, so here's a link to a picture. https://imgur.com/a/H3F3rXh A proper SNES pad for comparison, likely would not work, and a Honeybee SF-3 for completeness sake. A bit too big.

21 May 2018, 11:05	#234
lord of time Banned Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: wolverhampton Posts: 153	Can you please put me down for 1 complete pad? thank you.

23 May 2018, 18:58	#236
troupe86 Posts: n/a	I just want to say that I received my pad a couple of weeks ago and it has breathed new life in to my Amiga CD32. It has worked well with every game that I have tried so far (with the exception of Giana Sisters as it doesn't always properly acknowledge a left d-pad keypress), and I'm finding it to be an excellent pad overall! Thanks!

23 May 2018, 19:40	#237
donnie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: sthlm Posts: 226	excellent work. i would like to buy an assembled ktrl when you have one ready.

23 May 2018, 19:59	#239
donnie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: sthlm Posts: 226	Sadly no. If it was in Stockholm i might have.

02 June 2018, 01:19	#240
eXeler0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 2,946	@MickGyver Money sent and PM replied. I was (of course) at Retrospelsmässan last weekend, didn't read this until now, so I must have missed you. Were you in the big hall or the smalller one with the pinball machines and indie games?

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