which was, from a technical POV, the best amiga game? - Page 15

Shatterhand · 04 March 2016, 15:00

I am glad someone finally mentioned Mega Typhoon, because I was going to do it.

It doesn't look good, but the amount of stuff it pushed on screen, with never a dip of slowdown... it's amazing.

s2325 · 04 March 2016, 15:06

Mega Typhoon should look much better on CRT display as shading will be blurred.

Nibbler · 04 March 2016, 19:32

in my opinion ( and i am no programmer.....

)

Lionheart
Elfmania
Brian the Lion
Kid Chaos
Ruff n Tumble
Slam Tilt
(Super) Stardust
B.C Kid ( call me crazy, but only 1 Disc, all those Levels & Music ; i know, the original is on Hue Card, but still ...)
Turrican II ( 1 Disc again )
Banshee ( but no Ingame music .. that sucks, not even on the CD32 )
No second Prize ( 50 Fps , on a standart amiga ; i don´t count games like Breathless&Co that only rely on Fast CPUs....)

i surley forgotten a few ... * sorry *

Nibbler · 04 March 2016, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitux

Myth: History in the Making. I do not know if technically, but it was a great game
Another, Acsys, unfinished game, for me, better than Turrican.

Very funny ; NOTHING is better then Turrican... ok, Turrican II

This games have it all

SquawkBox · 04 March 2016, 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

Puggsy had really good physics.

Very true, even though the Mega Drive seems the better version.

zero · 09 June 2016, 11:54

Shadow Fighter had a cheat code that enabled 50 fps animation. I guess they didn't use it because it probably needed an A1200 or Fast RAM to work, but it's a real shame.

Lionheart is probably the most impressive game for me. It's not just that the coding is amazing, it's that the art is technically brilliant too. It makes so much out of the limited number of colours available, and must have been the product of some clever custom tools and close work between the programmer and graphics artist.

Sidewinder was pretty nice. Not the greatest but it did have plenty of stuff on screen and you could blow up much of the background scenery, and it didn't get slowdown. There is a "bug" though, if you had a Zip stick with it's mega fast autofire your shots would disappear when you moved up the screen, because the single sprite re-used for them would start to overlap itself.

How about Project X? That had a fair bit going on, lots of large sprites. Starglider II had a pretty impressive 3D engine, and predates Frontier. Midwinter II was also quite impressive from that point of view, a very large world kinda like Hunter II.

Mrs Beanbag · 09 June 2016, 22:19

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Originally Posted by zero

Starglider II had a pretty impressive 3D engine, and predates Frontier.

Starglider II was good, but Frontier is in another league - actual 3D planets with surface detail instead of just flat circles, and real navigation of the planets surface instead of switching to a different "mode" when you entered a planet's atmosphere. Mercenary 2&3 were more advanced than Starglider II in some respects (the planets featured multiple islands with road networks), although maybe not as optimised for speed.

zero · 09 June 2016, 22:41

Ah yes, the Mercenary games were quite something at the time. The tunnels in Starglider 2 were pretty nice though.

From a technical point of view you could argue for Final Fight. The frame rate was poor, but it was playable and somehow compressed a fairly large game down to IIRC one disk.

27 February 2017, 06:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by khph_re

I'm going to be contentious and say demo scene games were technically brilliant, but lacking playability.

frontier and xcom for me. and a shout out for zeewolf ,killing cloud and robocop 3.

I wasn't sure where to post this and as I've only just joined... I didn't want to make a new thread.

I am remaking Zeewolf

nobody · 27 February 2017, 08:56

1. Alien breed
2. Turrican 2
3. Lionheart

vulture · 27 February 2017, 09:50

@zero

a late reply, but I've noticed your post about Shadow Fighter just now. SF is full 50 fps for both AGA and ECS, the cheat for fast mode only works on AGA version, doubles the speed of pretty much everything on screen, it's still 50 fps and needs no expansion at all, just a stock A1200.

zero · 27 February 2017, 14:53

@vulture

I remember seeing the Shadow Fighter code for the first time and wondering why they didn't just run the game at 50 FPS. It could have looked as good as the arcade version of Street Fighter II, running that smooth.

I'd love to know the story behind choosing to degrade some stuff to 25 fps when the engine could handle more. Maybe they didn't want the ECS and AGA versions to play differently.

Anakirob · 27 February 2017, 15:26

As has been pointed out already Shadow Fighter, both ECS and AGA are 50Hz. But player characters simply don't have enough frames of animation to display a different frame of animation every screen refresh. This would require lots of chip memory, probably far more than the Amiga actually has.

Oh, and the player characters are perhaps a bit on the small side to beat Arcade SFII. But on the other hand I suspect that the AGA version actually has more colours on screen, more background animation and to my eyes better floor parallax effect than SFII.

zero · 27 February 2017, 18:08

I see what you mean. I must be remembering it wrong, I thought they were moving at 25 FPS as well.

dlfrsilver · 27 February 2017, 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobody

1. Alien breed
2. Turrican 2
3. Lionheart

It's the opposite in fact. Lionheart is way more advanced than Turrican 2 and Alien Breed Technically speaking.

eXeler0 · 27 February 2017, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by palindrome

I wasn't sure where to post this and as I've only just joined... I didn't want to make a new thread.

I am remaking Zeewolf

Don't be afraid to start new topic if you have something new to say.. Amiga News / or Amiga Scene etc..
If you get it wrong you can always try to get a moderators attention and have it moved.

Master484 · 27 February 2017, 21:38

Here are three games that seem to be technically advanced:

Overdrive by Infacto
http://hol.abime.net/5168

Pioneer Plague
http://hol.abime.net/1068

Ashes of Empire
http://hol.abime.net/3324

Overdrive is a shooter that according to the HOL entry runs in 64 color EHB mode and uses all sorts of technical tricks.

Pioneer Plague is also a shooter, but uses HAM mode 4096 color graphics for moving objects, which is very rare in action games.

And Ashes of Empire simply seems like an extremely complex and epic game, so I thought I would mention it.

But I haven't tried out any of these games myself, so it's hard to say how technically advanced they actually are, just thought I would mention them because they sound so technical.

Seiya · 28 February 2017, 00:37

one of the best for me is Premiere, anamiga exploited in graphics and sound quality.

04 March 2016, 19:32	#283
Nibbler namm namm AMIGA Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Austria Age: 44 Posts: 734	in my opinion ( and i am no programmer..... ) Lionheart Elfmania Brian the Lion Kid Chaos Ruff n Tumble Slam Tilt (Super) Stardust B.C Kid ( call me crazy, but only 1 Disc, all those Levels & Music ; i know, the original is on Hue Card, but still ...) Turrican II ( 1 Disc again ) Banshee ( but no Ingame music .. that sucks, not even on the CD32 ) No second Prize ( 50 Fps , on a standart amiga ; i don´t count games like Breathless&Co that only rely on Fast CPUs....) i surley forgotten a few ... * sorry * Last edited by Nibbler; 04 March 2016 at 20:13. Reason: add some more games

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04 March 2016, 15:00	#281
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	I am glad someone finally mentioned Mega Typhoon, because I was going to do it. It doesn't look good, but the amount of stuff it pushed on screen, with never a dip of slowdown... it's amazing.

04 March 2016, 15:06	#282
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Mega Typhoon should look much better on CRT display as shading will be blurred.

09 June 2016, 11:54	#286
zero Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: UK Posts: 428	Shadow Fighter had a cheat code that enabled 50 fps animation. I guess they didn't use it because it probably needed an A1200 or Fast RAM to work, but it's a real shame. Lionheart is probably the most impressive game for me. It's not just that the coding is amazing, it's that the art is technically brilliant too. It makes so much out of the limited number of colours available, and must have been the product of some clever custom tools and close work between the programmer and graphics artist. Sidewinder was pretty nice. Not the greatest but it did have plenty of stuff on screen and you could blow up much of the background scenery, and it didn't get slowdown. There is a "bug" though, if you had a Zip stick with it's mega fast autofire your shots would disappear when you moved up the screen, because the single sprite re-used for them would start to overlap itself. How about Project X? That had a fair bit going on, lots of large sprites. Starglider II had a pretty impressive 3D engine, and predates Frontier. Midwinter II was also quite impressive from that point of view, a very large world kinda like Hunter II.

09 June 2016, 22:41	#288
zero Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: UK Posts: 428	Ah yes, the Mercenary games were quite something at the time. The tunnels in Starglider 2 were pretty nice though. From a technical point of view you could argue for Final Fight. The frame rate was poor, but it was playable and somehow compressed a fairly large game down to IIRC one disk.

27 February 2017, 08:56	#290
nobody Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: GR Age: 47 Posts: 1,416	1. Alien breed 2. Turrican 2 3. Lionheart

27 February 2017, 09:50	#291
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,842	@zero a late reply, but I've noticed your post about Shadow Fighter just now. SF is full 50 fps for both AGA and ECS, the cheat for fast mode only works on AGA version, doubles the speed of pretty much everything on screen, it's still 50 fps and needs no expansion at all, just a stock A1200.

27 February 2017, 14:53	#292
zero Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: UK Posts: 428	@vulture I remember seeing the Shadow Fighter code for the first time and wondering why they didn't just run the game at 50 FPS. It could have looked as good as the arcade version of Street Fighter II, running that smooth. I'd love to know the story behind choosing to degrade some stuff to 25 fps when the engine could handle more. Maybe they didn't want the ECS and AGA versions to play differently.

27 February 2017, 15:26	#293
Anakirob Unregistered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tasmania Age: 42 Posts: 893	As has been pointed out already Shadow Fighter, both ECS and AGA are 50Hz. But player characters simply don't have enough frames of animation to display a different frame of animation every screen refresh. This would require lots of chip memory, probably far more than the Amiga actually has. Oh, and the player characters are perhaps a bit on the small side to beat Arcade SFII. But on the other hand I suspect that the AGA version actually has more colours on screen, more background animation and to my eyes better floor parallax effect than SFII.

27 February 2017, 18:08	#294
zero Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: UK Posts: 428	I see what you mean. I must be remembering it wrong, I thought they were moving at 25 FPS as well.

27 February 2017, 21:38	#297
Master484 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 525	Here are three games that seem to be technically advanced: Overdrive by Infacto http://hol.abime.net/5168 Pioneer Plague http://hol.abime.net/1068 Ashes of Empire http://hol.abime.net/3324 Overdrive is a shooter that according to the HOL entry runs in 64 color EHB mode and uses all sorts of technical tricks. Pioneer Plague is also a shooter, but uses HAM mode 4096 color graphics for moving objects, which is very rare in action games. And Ashes of Empire simply seems like an extremely complex and epic game, so I thought I would mention it. But I haven't tried out any of these games myself, so it's hard to say how technically advanced they actually are, just thought I would mention them because they sound so technical.

28 February 2017, 00:37	#298
Seiya Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Italy Posts: 2,367	one of the best for me is Premiere, anamiga exploited in graphics and sound quality.

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