WinUAE for Windows RT...?

chiark · 27 November 2012, 14:55

Would it be possible to compile WinUAE for Windows RT - eg the Surface? I realise the optimisation for the JIT engine will not work for the ARM chip, however could something be achieved here?

Toni Wilen · 28 November 2012, 08:29

No, I am not interested even trying.

It would practically become a new port with very different internals and GUI and everything (RT != Win32). And it is closed system, no thanks.

chiark · 28 November 2012, 11:43

Ah, I thought there might be just about enough of the API to make it work, but thinking on how much WinUAE gets into the system then that makes sense. Damn.

quarkx · 28 November 2012, 19:15

Just remember RT is the "New" name for Windows CE

chiark · 28 November 2012, 19:16

Well, no, it isn't.

I could elaborate, but that's already been done to death on the net

Mequa · 11 December 2012, 09:43

Frode was also asked about a Windows RT build of FS-UAE. The problem with that direction is that the Windows RT SDK does not support either OpenGL or SDL (it requires Direct3D11), so again it would require pretty much a whole different fork.

The same issues would be presented if using PUAE as a base. It would need a whole new GUI, graphical frontend using Direct3D11 (and fullscreen only) and other platform-specific internals.

The same WinRT SDK is used on x86, x64 and ARM, so it should be possible for a "RT-UAE" build to enable JIT for x86 (32-bit).

It is a closed system too, although I look forward to news on jailbreaking Windows RT devices, as it might help with emulators on this otherwise walled garden.

I can see why Toni wishes to avoid the closed WinRT platform and stick with Win32... however all of the possible bases for a modern port of UAE to WinRT owe a lot to Toni's work on the UAE emulation core, so such an emulator is likely to ultimately be a fork from WinUAE's core (like FS-UAE or PUAE).

27 November 2012, 14:55	#1
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28 November 2012, 08:29	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,515	No, I am not interested even trying. It would practically become a new port with very different internals and GUI and everything (RT != Win32). And it is closed system, no thanks.

28 November 2012, 11:43	#3
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	Ah, I thought there might be just about enough of the API to make it work, but thinking on how much WinUAE gets into the system then that makes sense. Damn.

28 November 2012, 19:15	#4
quarkx Our prices are Insane! Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Edmonton Posts: 465	Just remember RT is the "New" name for Windows CE

28 November 2012, 19:16	#5
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	Well, no, it isn't. I could elaborate, but that's already been done to death on the net

11 December 2012, 09:43	#6
Mequa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 497	Frode was also asked about a Windows RT build of FS-UAE. The problem with that direction is that the Windows RT SDK does not support either OpenGL or SDL (it requires Direct3D11), so again it would require pretty much a whole different fork. The same issues would be presented if using PUAE as a base. It would need a whole new GUI, graphical frontend using Direct3D11 (and fullscreen only) and other platform-specific internals. The same WinRT SDK is used on x86, x64 and ARM, so it should be possible for a "RT-UAE" build to enable JIT for x86 (32-bit). It is a closed system too, although I look forward to news on jailbreaking Windows RT devices, as it might help with emulators on this otherwise walled garden. I can see why Toni wishes to avoid the closed WinRT platform and stick with Win32... however all of the possible bases for a modern port of UAE to WinRT owe a lot to Toni's work on the UAE emulation core, so such an emulator is likely to ultimately be a fork from WinUAE's core (like FS-UAE or PUAE).

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