Best and most suitable LCD monitor (15kHz) for A500

[Amarok]

I saw a new (old stock) Benq BL702A and bought it immediately, thank to this discussion. Price was 95 EUR, I don't think it's a good price but anyway... I didn't want a modern 16:10 ratio screen.

It's a really nice looking small one, but I couldn't test it yet with my A500 (still waiting for a new power supply from Amigastore.eu (Spain) which I ordered 2 weeks ago).

[Havie]

There is still the SCART TV option if you can get one - I have Sharp LC-22DV510k (B) that works well in PAL resolutions and no flicker in interlace modes.

Also, having a TV gives your more connections so currently I have attached to it:

Via Powered Scart switcher:
Amiga 1200 V1200 PAL
C64
Saturn
Gamecube

HDMI Switcher
Amiga V1200 RTG
PC
SNES Mini
PC Engine Mini
Neo Geo Mini
(last three do need manually swapping between one HDMI cable to be fair)

Component
PS2

Composite
Whatever I want to plug in - Speccy, NAMCO plug and play or other plug and play

And at one point, I even had a Atari 2600 plugged in via RF (now composite modded so no use of terrible RF connection apart from Videomaster Colourscore but this generally stays in the box).

May not have a mancave but have a mancupboard

[Amarok]

Yes, I do have a SCART TV reduction. But only 1 old CRT TV left at home

For the sake of completion I would like to post here what I found today online, I don't know who's the author of this list (it was part of an rgb2vga reduction/adapter advertisement) and I hope it's not somewhere here on EAB already, but anyway, hope it will be helpful to someone who wants to use this simplest solution (the rgb2vga adapter is commonly sold for around 11 EUR on RetroCables and Amigastore).

Tested and working:
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ACER K242HL
ACER K242HYL
ACER H236HL
ACER V226HQL

BenQ BL702A
BenQ BL912
BenQ BL2205PT
BenQ G2420HD
Beno G922HDL (probably only some revisions)
BenQ GL2023

ASUS VE247
ASUS VW227D

Cornea CT1702T

DELL U2311Hb
DELL U2410
DELL U2412M
DELL Ultrasharp 2311h
DELL 2001FP (only revisions until june 2005)

Epson H416B projector
Fujitsu B23T-6
Magnavox 17MD255/17
Medion ST 2210
NEC 1970GX
NEC 1970NXp
NEC Accusync 71V
Planar 1520M

According to online discussions these should work too:
ACER G206HQL, ACER S242HLK
BenQ G610HDPL, BenQ VwW2430H
DELL U2412MB, DELL U2211H, DELL U2711, DELL U2913wm, DELL SE2717H, DELL SR2320L, DELL ST2320L, DELL ST2420L, DELL SR2320L, DELL ST2410
LG 1721a Flatron, LG 22LS4R, LG 19LS4R, LG M228WA, LG M198WA

Tested and NOT working:
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Acer 1711
Acer AL1716
Acer AL1732
Acer V193HQV

Amilo 3220T

ASUS VW191S
ASUS VW196D
ASUS VW266H

AOC e2250 swda
AOC LED E2460P
AOC LED e2550swda

BenQ E2200HD
BenQ FP 222 wa
BenQ FP 767
BenQ G925HDA

Dell 2007wfp
Dell 2209WAf
Dell 2408wfp

ETC MD-935A

Fujitsu Siemens A-17-1
Fujitsu Siemens B19-3
Fujitsu Siemens P19-2

HP L2035
HP LP2065
HP P240va

Hyundai HCM 428EV
Hyundai Imagequest B790+

Lenovo LT2452pwC
Lenovo L2250pwD
Lenovo D221
Lenovo T2454pA
Lenovo L192p

LG IPS277L
LG L17175
LG L225WT
LG W2486L-PF (50Hz works)

NEC 1770NX (manufactured in November, 2007 in China, serial number is 7Y027162TB) other maybe work??
NEC 2170NX
NEC SyncMaster 710N S (model MJ17ASKS/EDC), color display unit: GH17LS, december 2004

Prestigio LW 974
Prestigio P151

Samsung Syncmaster 204B
Samsung Syncmaster 245B
Samsung S24D300H

[eXeler0]

Originally Posted by eXeler0

Found one new on ebay.. for €119.. ordered it, ill get back with some feedback in a while.
Maybe a youtube video.

Never received the item (got a refund from ebay though). Then I noticed there are 23" and 24" versions of that monitor.
Has anyone checked if these also support 15kHz?


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[shaf]

I'm using a Dell U2711 and it works.

[eXeler0]

Originally Posted by shaf

I'm using a Dell U2711 and it works.

Ordered a Dell U2311H, its on the "good list".
Ill report back how well it works once I have it.

[jbilander]

This monitor might be interesting to try with an Amiga. 20.1" 4:3 and supposedly supports both 15/31 kHz modes
https://twitter.com/arcooda/status/1...468034/photo/1

[Lord Aga]

Oooh this looks magnificent

Unfortunately, I would wager it will cost an arm and a leg

EDIT:
It seems to cost $250. Not too bad. I expected something close to a $1,000.

[aeberbach]

I looked up that Arcooda monitor. I can't believe that for once, they seem to be local to me. I think I'm going to buy one as soon as they show it in stock - I emailed asking for a notification when it is. Will let you know...

edit: ordered! They have a container about to leave for Australia and told me last time they had sold all that arrived. On that basis I paid and I'll be waiting a month or so. Looks absolutely perfect as a second monitor _and_ for Amiga/arcade.

[seb132]

Interesting these Arcooda monitors... can be wall mounted and framed in white too...

[aeberbach]

An update - I got my Arcooda monitor today:
https://www.highway.net.au/arcade-pa...e/17750-1.html

First impressions are that it shows Workbench really well! I haven't had much time to play around with it yet but I will need to make a stand for it, or a mount for VESA to use some other monitor's stand at least. It's heavy.

So far so good - it just plugs into the Amiga and displays a steady image.

[Lord Aga]

Oooh do I envy you

Some piccies pretty please?

[admiral]

An alternative is to ditch the monitor idea and just use an OSSC.

[Photon]

I don't recommend LCD displays because I would have to accept so many drawbacks.

For work:

• few modes available, even with custom modelines
• wrong aspect ratio unless old 1280x1024 (PAL)

For creativity:

• oversaturated colors, if older than 2005 risk of 15-bit-flicker-color, if more recent overcontrast

For games and demos:

• motion blur=input lag
• often no 50Hz support despite 15kHz support

I got the Joytech 8.2" (PS1 Slim monitor) to make a portable Amiga, and it works for all PAL computers and consoles. But even though this is the best I've seen, even if I could somehow get it in a larger size, it would still have these drawbacks.

The Arcooda monitor has no information about 5:4 and 50Hz.

NTSC users might have an easier time, and by upgrading to ECS you could run Workbench in 640x240 overscan? But have very few games available.

[aeberbach]

@admiral I tried an OSSC - I just hated the endless tweaking. It's great if you have a lot of different devices because it can genuinely do everything but I want to just plug in a monitor. If the next revision that has been talked about for years does appear I will probably buy that and see how it goes; I suppose my ideal is a Sony CRT with something to convert signals from the Amiga.

[Lord Aga]

Originally Posted by Photon

For work:

• few modes available, even with custom modelines
• wrong aspect ratio unless old 1280x1024 (PAL)

For creativity:

• oversaturated colors, if older than 2005 risk of 15-bit-flicker-color, if more recent overcontrast

For games and demos:

• motion blur=input lag
• often no 50Hz support despite 15kHz support

I would also add those nice fuzzy round pixels, that give you a kind of natural anti-aliasing and dithering. Much of the 16-bit visuals actually depend on it.
Also that wondrous phosphorous glow, impossible to emulate on modern screens.

BUT(T) !!!

LCDs have a couple of things going for them too:
-Better screen estate to room occupancy ratio.
-Flat picture for perfect geometry. No fishbowl effect.
-No flicker! Although a CRT display is awesome to look at, I can't do it for long periods of time. So LCDs are much more pleasant for productivity.

It's kind of a mixed bag altogether

[Photon]

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

-No flicker! Although a CRT display is awesome to look at, I can't do it for long periods of time. So LCDs are much more pleasant for productivity.

Not the new, "max nits, max HDR" ones. They can really hurt your eyes. They come at the end of a gazillion:1 contrast war. You can lower them to 10% brightness of course, but this will thwart any attempts at calibration.

CRTs don't flicker. Only PC CRTs flicker at 50-80Hz, and that's because they have a much thinner phosphor layer. This is where the CRT flicker rumors come from; users not bothering clicking something to raise it above 60Hz. It's substantial; do drive your PC CRTs at 85Hz and up and they're as the manufacturers intended. Therefore, if you don't want flicker, don't use PC CRTs unless you can drive an 85Hz mode. Non-PC CRTs (TVs, Amiga monitors, arcade monitors, movie industry monitors) have no flicker at 50Hz.

The other flicker (interlace) is different. The Joytech 8.2" had a (from what I gather) unique scaling chip for the PS1 to handle interlaced gaming resolutions and also DVDs. I call this "proper deinterlace" because it takes the flicker out completely, some flicker fixers don't, and some scaling chips don't.

Around 2011, LCD TVs started getting scaling chips that do this correctly. If you can find one with RGB Scart or (proper) S-video, they give a crisp picture, albeit at 25 Hz (like the fantastic A3000 Commodore monitor! beautiful colors, and crisp.)

Maybe the best solution is a monitor switch, and a monitor for productivity and a monitor for games? Then they could complement one another, rather than chasing for some monitor that handles both but comes with my listed drawbacks. It also allows for an RTG card connected to the productivity monitor.

However, this is general info. Author has an A500, and so the highest goal would be properly deinterlaced 640x512 or similar (or upgrade to ECS+Indivision ECS card). The aforementioned LCD TVs are a good fit for stock A500 productivity, and are probably much easier to source than the wrong-aspect, maybe-50Hz older PC LCD monitors.

[TommyTomorrow]

Originally Posted by Amarok

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Tested and NOT working:
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BenQ E2200HD
BenQ FP 222 wa
BenQ FP 767
BenQ G925HDA


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You can add to that not working Benq list my BenQ FP241W.

[jbilander]

Has anyone tried this Samsung SMT-1935 with an Amiga?
https://www.hanwha-security.eu/busin...ucts/smt-1935/

I read about the predecessor SMT-1934 and that it does 15 kHz, link below, so perhaps the SMT-1935 does it as well?:
https://www.arcade-projects.com/thre...67/#post-16240

Perhaps the price is a bit steep, but it sure would be interesting to try it with an Amiga. I checked the manual and the interface looks exactly like my Samsung LCD TV from 2005 which flicker-fixes the Amiga "High Res Laced" Workbench very well and that makes me think the SMT-1935 firmware is very similar and this LCD can work very well with an Amiga?.

[Shark]

Originally Posted by aeberbach

Lenovo T22i - here’s an album I made of the different modes.

https://imgur.com/a/W1rH4Lt

It’s a current monitor, you should be able to find it for sale new or used.

Also Benq GW2480 is current and is said to work but I have not tried it personally.

Hi,

I have one T22i-10 too, but I always get the same warning window "Out of Range".

Which program/soft are you using with your Amiga to test monitor resolutions?

Thanks and best regards,
Shark