Some fan made zelda games with ports for amiga

rmcin329 · 31 August 2022, 04:47

I wasn't really sure where to put this topic, but i don't need help running the games, as i don't have access to OS 4 or better only 3.1 and below. I'm just posting this here to spread knowledge that these games have amiga versions at all.
I recently stumbled across some fan made zelda games that actually have ports to the amiga surprisingly enough. I can't try them on winuae myself as they need OS 4 or better and i can only manage up to 3.1. But i can still play the pc version of the games. I just wanted to mention the games here because i was quite surprised they had bothered to port them to amiga at all. You can have a look at the games over here http://www.zeldaroth.fr/us/

James · 31 August 2022, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmcin329

I can't try them on winuae myself as they need OS 4 or better

No, they don't:

https://aminet.net/search?name=zelda&desc=zelda+68k
https://aminet.net/search?query=zeldansq

rmcin329 · 31 August 2022, 19:23

Yeah i hadn't seen those ports at the time, i was only looking on the site i mentioned. However i don't see the mentioned graphics cards, when i go digging around in the RTG part of winuae. Says they want CGX or P96, and i don't see either of those as choices. Never messed with that kind of stuff amiga wise. Can i even set that up on my 1.3 setup i have with winuae? Or would I need to use my 3.1 config that i have instead? I imagine it'd need my 3.1 config, but again i don't see the cards that were mentioned.

EDIT
Wait i didn't fully read the aminet page on those games before. Looks like they were tested with a 68060, and 3.9. I can only go up to 3.1, so not too sure i'd be able to run them.

rmcin329 · 31 August 2022, 21:21

Okay i don't know where to go next, so i'm posting here again. I've installed picasso96 on my 3.1 setup, and also unpacked zelda ROTH. I saw this at the end of the picasso96 installation and didn't know what it meant. http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...1&d=1661973598

I also see when my 3.1 setup is booting, http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...1&d=1661973605

Clearly i've screwed up somewhere, i just dunno where.
Okay realized i forgot to set a card, set a uae zorro II one, still get the line about argument line invalid or too long, have no idea what that means.
Tried to run zelda ROTH after following the installation instructions, it just black screens with no error

rmcin329 · 31 August 2022, 21:57

Okay just needed to assign more memory, silly of me to not realize that sooner. Game now starts but gets stuck on the opening screen. It ignores mouse and joystick input, and only the escape key seems to do anything, which just causes the game screen to go blank. Would also like to find a way for winaue to not shrink to a tiny window upon starting the game.
I have read the userguide pdf on the game and i know the enter key should be acting as a confirm key, and does so on the pc version. But on this version, it just gets ignored.

rmcin329 · 31 August 2022, 23:09

Not even sure what i configured differently, but i finally have the game functioning. Only issue left now is there is no sound or music. For this game https://aminet.net/package/game/role/ZeldaROTH-68k-US i did follow the directions for MIDI music, dunno if that screwed things up somehow or what.

rmcin329 · 01 September 2022, 19:12

I've tried setting different sound cards from expansions, doesn't seem to help, still get no sound or music when playing zelda roth. Also tried going to the sound settings in winuae and switching it from paula to midi, doesn't seem to help either. Best guess i have is that i screwed up something with timidity, but i dunno.

rmcin329 · 01 September 2022, 23:02

Installed AHI from aminet https://aminet.net/package/driver/audio/ahiusr_4.18 and now the sound effects function. Music on the other hand is still busted, doesn't work at all.

rmcin329 · 01 September 2022, 23:58

I'm just totally out of ideas for trying to fix whatever the heck is wrong. For the time being i've reverted to a backup from before i tried to get this game to run. If anyone wants to try to help me fix this i'd appreciate it, would still love to get this game running correctly on amiga.
Near as i can tell, i had to install picasso96 and set up a rtg card, and AHI was what finally got the sound effects in the game working. Never did get the midi music functional, i'm assuming that timidity should have worked for that but i probably screwed up something when i set up it up, i really don't know. Anyway i'd really appreciate help in getting this to work the rest of the way.

jotd · 02 September 2022, 08:29

I remember trying to port those games on the Nintendo DS, and partially succeeding (they are SDL based).

I mainly gave up because they were horribly coded and full of bugs that crashed the NDS. I suppose that the amiga port suffers from the same issues.

Daedalus · 02 September 2022, 10:02

Yep, these sorts of ports are a little more PC-style, so they're not coded to use the Amiga hardware directly, meaning they need faster CPUs for translating the graphics to the native screenmodes and often external driver setups like RTG, AHI and TiMIDIty. RTG in particular will make SDL ports much smoother than the native graphics. Still, at least AHI is something that can be useful to have installed on the system anyway and does no harm by just being there. It won't solve the music issue though because that's not what AHI does.

I don't see why you wouldn't always use an RTG screenmode and have AHI on a WinUAE setup, even if it's a separate "power user" setup. The larger resolutions and higher colour counts make most tasks involving system-friendly software much nicer. The MIDI setup might be as simple as setting up MIDI in WinUAE's settings so that the MIDI output gets mapped to Windows' MIDI system. And you set the screen/window size for RTG modes separately from that of native modes in WinUAE, so if the game is opening in a small screenmode, just choose full screen, or a suitable size for the window there. Ideally you want the window size to be an exact multiple of the game's resolution, so if the game opens a 640x480 screen, try 1280x960. Otherwise, to avoid jagged pixels due to uneven scaling, look at the options for RTG in the Filter section.

Aladin · 02 September 2022, 12:36

Zelda ROTH 1 RTG (2017 Arti) [SDL]
Zelda ROTH 2 OLB RTG (2009 Arti) [SDL]
Zelda ROTH 3 TTT RTG (2010 Arti) [SDL]
Zelda ROTH 4 Navi’s Quest AGA/RTG (2019 Arti) [SDL]

rmcin329 · 02 September 2022, 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daedalus

The MIDI setup might be as simple as setting up MIDI in WinUAE's settings so that the MIDI output gets mapped to Windows' MIDI system.

No idea how to do that. I do appreciate the help though, and have changed rtg to display in full screen now.

TCD · 02 September 2022, 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmcin329

No idea how to do that.

In the 'IO ports' section you can set MIDI - Out to one of your available devices in Windows and check if that works.

rmcin329 · 02 September 2022, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

In the 'IO ports' section you can set MIDI - Out to one of your available devices in Windows and check if that works.

Okay that doesn't seem to work. However i double checked my assign for timidity and realized it was done wrong. After fixing that the music is now functional.
However.......The music sounds somewhat like when you turn the bass up too high or your speaker up too high. There's digital background garbage noise in addition to the music. Other games on the same setup do not experience this issue, indicating this seems to be something with just midi music most likely, though i don't have anything else that uses midi at the moment to test with.

rmcin329 · 03 September 2022, 21:45

Fiddled with some settings, but can't seem to resolve the issue with the music, so been playing the pc version of the game for the time being.

31 August 2022, 04:47	#1
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	Some fan made zelda games with ports for amiga I wasn't really sure where to put this topic, but i don't need help running the games, as i don't have access to OS 4 or better only 3.1 and below. I'm just posting this here to spread knowledge that these games have amiga versions at all. I recently stumbled across some fan made zelda games that actually have ports to the amiga surprisingly enough. I can't try them on winuae myself as they need OS 4 or better and i can only manage up to 3.1. But i can still play the pc version of the games. I just wanted to mention the games here because i was quite surprised they had bothered to port them to amiga at all. You can have a look at the games over here http://www.zeldaroth.fr/us/ Last edited by rmcin329; 31 August 2022 at 04:55.

31 August 2022, 19:23	#3
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	Yeah i hadn't seen those ports at the time, i was only looking on the site i mentioned. However i don't see the mentioned graphics cards, when i go digging around in the RTG part of winuae. Says they want CGX or P96, and i don't see either of those as choices. Never messed with that kind of stuff amiga wise. Can i even set that up on my 1.3 setup i have with winuae? Or would I need to use my 3.1 config that i have instead? I imagine it'd need my 3.1 config, but again i don't see the cards that were mentioned. EDIT Wait i didn't fully read the aminet page on those games before. Looks like they were tested with a 68060, and 3.9. I can only go up to 3.1, so not too sure i'd be able to run them. Last edited by rmcin329; 31 August 2022 at 19:33.

31 August 2022, 21:21	#4
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	Okay i don't know where to go next, so i'm posting here again. I've installed picasso96 on my 3.1 setup, and also unpacked zelda ROTH. I saw this at the end of the picasso96 installation and didn't know what it meant. http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...1&d=1661973598 I also see when my 3.1 setup is booting, http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...1&d=1661973605 Clearly i've screwed up somewhere, i just dunno where. Okay realized i forgot to set a card, set a uae zorro II one, still get the line about argument line invalid or too long, have no idea what that means. Tried to run zelda ROTH after following the installation instructions, it just black screens with no error Attached Thumbnails Last edited by rmcin329; 31 August 2022 at 21:45.

01 September 2022, 19:12	#7
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	I've tried setting different sound cards from expansions, doesn't seem to help, still get no sound or music when playing zelda roth. Also tried going to the sound settings in winuae and switching it from paula to midi, doesn't seem to help either. Best guess i have is that i screwed up something with timidity, but i dunno. Last edited by rmcin329; 01 September 2022 at 19:19.

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31 August 2022, 21:57	#5
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	Okay just needed to assign more memory, silly of me to not realize that sooner. Game now starts but gets stuck on the opening screen. It ignores mouse and joystick input, and only the escape key seems to do anything, which just causes the game screen to go blank. Would also like to find a way for winaue to not shrink to a tiny window upon starting the game. I have read the userguide pdf on the game and i know the enter key should be acting as a confirm key, and does so on the pc version. But on this version, it just gets ignored.

31 August 2022, 23:09	#6
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	Not even sure what i configured differently, but i finally have the game functioning. Only issue left now is there is no sound or music. For this game https://aminet.net/package/game/role/ZeldaROTH-68k-US i did follow the directions for MIDI music, dunno if that screwed things up somehow or what.

01 September 2022, 23:02	#8
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	Installed AHI from aminet https://aminet.net/package/driver/audio/ahiusr_4.18 and now the sound effects function. Music on the other hand is still busted, doesn't work at all.

01 September 2022, 23:58	#9
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	I'm just totally out of ideas for trying to fix whatever the heck is wrong. For the time being i've reverted to a backup from before i tried to get this game to run. If anyone wants to try to help me fix this i'd appreciate it, would still love to get this game running correctly on amiga. Near as i can tell, i had to install picasso96 and set up a rtg card, and AHI was what finally got the sound effects in the game working. Never did get the midi music functional, i'm assuming that timidity should have worked for that but i probably screwed up something when i set up it up, i really don't know. Anyway i'd really appreciate help in getting this to work the rest of the way.

02 September 2022, 08:29	#10
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	I remember trying to port those games on the Nintendo DS, and partially succeeding (they are SDL based). I mainly gave up because they were horribly coded and full of bugs that crashed the NDS. I suppose that the amiga port suffers from the same issues.

02 September 2022, 10:02	#11
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,334	Yep, these sorts of ports are a little more PC-style, so they're not coded to use the Amiga hardware directly, meaning they need faster CPUs for translating the graphics to the native screenmodes and often external driver setups like RTG, AHI and TiMIDIty. RTG in particular will make SDL ports much smoother than the native graphics. Still, at least AHI is something that can be useful to have installed on the system anyway and does no harm by just being there. It won't solve the music issue though because that's not what AHI does. I don't see why you wouldn't always use an RTG screenmode and have AHI on a WinUAE setup, even if it's a separate "power user" setup. The larger resolutions and higher colour counts make most tasks involving system-friendly software much nicer. The MIDI setup might be as simple as setting up MIDI in WinUAE's settings so that the MIDI output gets mapped to Windows' MIDI system. And you set the screen/window size for RTG modes separately from that of native modes in WinUAE, so if the game is opening in a small screenmode, just choose full screen, or a suitable size for the window there. Ideally you want the window size to be an exact multiple of the game's resolution, so if the game opens a 640x480 screen, try 1280x960. Otherwise, to avoid jagged pixels due to uneven scaling, look at the options for RTG in the Filter section.

02 September 2022, 12:36	#12
Aladin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: France Posts: 853	Zelda ROTH 1 RTG (2017 Arti) [SDL] Zelda ROTH 2 OLB RTG (2009 Arti) [SDL] Zelda ROTH 3 TTT RTG (2010 Arti) [SDL] Zelda ROTH 4 Navi’s Quest AGA/RTG (2019 Arti) [SDL]

03 September 2022, 21:45	#16
rmcin329 NOOB Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lost in a sea of madness..... Age: 39 Posts: 356	Fiddled with some settings, but can't seem to resolve the issue with the music, so been playing the pc version of the game for the time being.

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