Could an Amiga with an 030 do Virtua Fighter?

[Retro1234]

Tomb Raider can run under PC-task(as a slide show ) but can make the assumption that if it was written directly for 68k would be quite a bit faster.

FX Fighter might run on PC-Task or DosBox Amiga again as nearly a slide show

Alone in The Dark runs reasonably on a 68030 under ShapeShifter.

[Hewitson]

Originally Posted by Bren McGuire

Lol

What was funny about my post? Comparing an 030 based A1200 to a ST-V or Saturn is laughable. It's like comparing a Ferrari to a VW Bus.

[roondar]

Originally Posted by Hewitson

What was funny about my post? Comparing an 030 based A1200 to a ST-V or Saturn is laughable. It's like comparing a Ferrari to a VW Bus.

Oh come now, that is totally unreasonable.
The Saturn is not that bad a console. It's just not very good.

[Hewitson]

Originally Posted by roondar

Oh come now, that is totally unreasonable.
The Saturn is not that bad a console. It's just not very good.

[AmigaHope]

The Saturn as it was originally designed is a freaking amazing piece of hardware. The second CPU and DSP they bodged in to bring it up to Playstation specs (due the PSX having a slightly faster CPU and a hardware vertex engine) are what made it a mess.

Its sprite engine is absolutely beastly. So many sprites, all of which can be independently scaled and rotated in 3 dimensions -- as a rasterizer it blew away anything else on the market at the time (if you could build the sprite lists fast enough). The background engine like a supercharged combination of the best aspects of the SNES and Genesis.

If they'd had a little more time to fix the bus arbitration for the second CPU, or just gone with a single faster CPU, and given it a real vertex engine instead of the DSP (which almost nobody used), it would have blow the Playstation away.

[str0m]

Saturn is by far my favourite console despite PS versions of games often being better, it just had such a variety of games especially in Japan and the dpad is still the best I've used.

[dreadnought]

Originally Posted by AmigaHope

it would have blow the Playstation away.

Maybe on the tech level, but it takes more than that (software, luck, hype, etc) to dominate the market. Gaming history is littered with technically superior products which "lost" to the inferior ones.

[roondar]

Guys, guys - my comment about the Saturn was only meant to poke a bit of fun at how Hewitson's comments about Amiga gaming are all the same and are all absurd exaggerations: always super negative about the Amiga and super positive about all Japanese systems.

Obviously the Saturn is more powerful than an 68030 based Amiga

[dreadnought]

I got the joke - it was quite funny indeed - but let's get this in the way of a tasty thread derail...sometimes these are more interesting than the OP (answer to which can be summed up in a two-letter word, it seems)

[Hewitson]

Originally Posted by roondar

Guys, guys - my comment about the Saturn was only meant to poke a bit of fun at how Hewitson's comments about Amiga gaming are all the same and are all absurd exaggerations: always super negative about the Amiga and super positive about all Japanese systems.

I'm going to say that my comments are not "absurd exaggerations" at all. The Japanese games really were that much better. Very few games on the Amiga are even worth playing, often the cracktro was the best thing about the game, for god's sake!

The Amiga does have some fantastic games, but they're very few and far between.

[roondar]

Originally Posted by Hewitson

I'm going to say that my comments are not "absurd exaggerations" at all. The Japanese games really were that much better. Very few games on the Amiga are even worth playing, often the cracktro was the best thing about the game, for god's sake!

This is a perfect example of what I mean. The above is a pretty big exaggeration.

The Amiga does have some fantastic games, but they're very few and far between.

This is true for every single system ever made.
Anyway, I'll drop this now. I made my point.

Originally Posted by dreadnought

I got the joke - it was quite funny indeed - but let's get this in the way of a tasty thread derail...sometimes these are more interesting than the OP (answer to which can be summed up in a two-letter word, it seems)

I'd still argue it all depends on what you'd find an acceptable port. But I'm a bit odd that way, I don't require nor expect a perfect port to lesser hardware for it still to be fun game

However, if you mean a fully perfect port: yeah, not gonna happen.

[dreadnought]

Originally Posted by roondar

I'd still argue it all depends on what you'd find an acceptable port.

I'd mostly agree with that, I have similar approach but it differs regarding particular games. About Virtua Fighter, it's one of the best regarded fighting games, demanding certain technical standards to be met so its gaemplay still "works"...therefore it'd need to be a very-close-to-perfect port (whereas other games could get away with cutting some corners).


@Hewitson: saying that very few games on Amiga are worth playing is an absurd exaggeration. You could say something like "majority of action games on consoles were better than Amiga ones" and it'd make sense, but hey...

[Hewitson]

Originally Posted by roondar

This is a perfect example of what I mean. The above is a pretty big exaggeration.

No it isn't. Say you had a box of 100 cracked Amiga games. How many of them are likely to be good? Maybe 10 if you're lucky.

The quality just isn't there on the Amiga. The games, generally speaking are very amateurish compared to the Japanese stuff. One fire button, having to select between Music and SFX? What a joke.

Originally Posted by roondar

This is true for every single system ever made.

It really isn't.

At least 90% of games from the Neo Geo library are great. I'd say at least half of the Megadrive and PCE libraries are pretty decent. Same for the SNES.

[britelite]

Originally Posted by Hewitson

At least 90% of games from the Neo Geo library are great. I'd say at least half of the Megadrive and PCE libraries are pretty decent. Same for the SNES.

Sounds like you haven't really tried that many games on each system

[roondar]

Originally Posted by Hewitson

No it isn't. Say you had a box of 100 cracked Amiga games. How many of them are likely to be good? Maybe 10 if you're lucky.

I've played many hundreds of 16 bit console games over the years. I'd certainly not call more than about 10%-20% of them good.

Besides, the Amiga library is so massive by comparison to the console ones that even if a much, much larger percentage of Amiga games were to be bad than on consoles (which is something I don't agree with in the first place), then you'd still end up with a similar number of high quality games as on the individual consoles.

It really isn't.

Yes it really is, the figures you claim for the MD/SNES/PCE and NEO GEO are exactly the type of exaggeration I'm talking about. No more than 10-20% of the MD/SNES/PCE library is really all that good. The NEO GEO is admittedly a bit better than most, but still nowhere near 50% good games, let alone the 90% you're claiming here.

[no9]

Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread. i just want to add one more 030 demo example on the topic

Limited edition - Remix (-> 3:35)

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[roondar]

I wonder if there's a demo using just flat shaded polygons. In terms of this thread, that might be an interesting use case to see how many an A1200/68030@50MHz can push.

There's some 3D games (that have been mentioned before), but they tend to be simulation heavy which might distort the results somewhat.

[no9]

Complex - Real on 68030
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[saimon69]

Going to send people mad pushing the enveloped, what about a wireframe Virtua fighter style game? That should work everywhere as base AND then the shaded stuff added for accelerated machines

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by no9

Complex - Real on 68030
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I think this was one of the first texture mapped demo in the 1200; i seen it in a 020 machine in 1994 and was already decent - btw i seem to remember there is a way to move in the arena with either joystick or mouse