Vsync + Vista x64 tearing

Rabbit80 · 06 August 2008, 21:16

I'm running a dual boot system with XP and Vista x64. Display is set to 720x576@50Hz.

Under XP all is perfectly smooth - in fact, i cannot tell it apart on most games from a real Amiga. Under Vista x64 I get a tearing effect going across the screen, slowly moving from bottom to top.

I have tried vsync enabled and disabled, and also forcing it on / off in the nVidia control panel. With vsync disabled the tearing jumps around all over the screen - with it enabled it moves upwards slowly then starts from the bottom again.

Any ideas anyone?

Shoonay · 07 August 2008, 06:27

1. got SP1?
2. got the newest (tried beta?) nForce driver? (assuming that's the chipset you've got

)
3. got the newest (tried beta?) graphic driver?
4. got all the official updates from Windows Update, up to date? (no pun intended

)
5. got this hotfix? <--- after SP1, very important
6. got the newest DirectX updated files?

cosmicfrog · 07 August 2008, 11:00

yet another reason to ditch vista

Shoonay · 07 August 2008, 11:02

yeah, and another example of my leet skills, because it works only for me perfectly, doesn't it

TCD · 07 August 2008, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

yet another reason to ditch vista

Guess that's why Toni develops on Vista

Shoonay · 07 August 2008, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Guess that's why Toni develops on Vista

pwned

Marcuz · 07 August 2008, 11:17

since i switched from 64bit vista to 32bit, everything is perfect for me too, even catweasel and tv card

however, i did not notice any difference between for Winuae between the 2 operating systems: i would say it's some hardware' driver problem or Vista fix, as Sh00nay

haynor666 · 07 August 2008, 11:19

On my GForce 8800GTS this resolution is custom (not build mode). I'm using it on my second display Samsung 19" CRT and everything is fine. Did you add this resolution with GForce panel ?

Shoonay · 07 August 2008, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

since i switched from 64bit vista to 32bit, everything is perfect for me too, even catweasel and tv card

yeah, i see your point marco, no support for catweasel on x64 prolly, but i don't own one and i'm happy what i've got on Viśta 64, and the drivers for my cheap german tv card (KNC ONE GmbH SAA7134) were located on WU even

Marcuz · 07 August 2008, 14:21

the two i mentioned were my only two gripes with it anyway

(i close this OT on my part by saying that anyway, as all the OS i know of, Vista too is far from being perfect. as all the modern OS tends to impose its way of being used instead of being a obedient tool. in more ways than i can count, and mostly subtle and difficult to spot... consumists' times...)

Rabbit80 · 07 August 2008, 15:32

Yes I have SP1

The only thing I wasn't aware of was the Hotfix - i will try that later on when I get chance...

I already have all the latest NV drivers for both MB and GFX.
I have the latest drivers for everything in fact - I like to keep my software up to date and only roll back if i have problems.

In response to Haynor - yes its a custom res added through the NV control panel - Its all resoultions that show this problem though.

I have a clean XP install - I might use that just for Amiga stuff - how much Amiga software can I fit onto a 120Gb partition?

Are the catweasels worth getting? I have something like 700+ amiga disks in my attic and no Amiga to use them on - but I can easily put a 2nd floppy drive in my PC and use the convert to ADF stuff.. The only real advantage I can see to the catweasel is the support for my old Amiga joystick - or is there a cheap usb convertor that somebody could tell me about?

Marcuz · 07 August 2008, 16:15

usb convertors are a best bet imho: catweasel isn't exactly cheap, it is not supported on Vista (it just work on vista 32 bit, but i haven't tryed much adf imaging).

it is also worth mentioning that it is uncompatible with certain drives: for that you have to check a list on the producer site.

Rabbit80 · 07 August 2008, 23:25

Any ideas which USB adaptors i can use and where I might get hold of one?

Edit: I tried the update and it won't install - I guess that I will live with my XP install for now!

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 00:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

I tried the update and it won't install

There are only two possible explanations:
- you already have it
(check Control Panel > Programs & Features > View Installed Updates)
- you got the wrong version
(download the right version

)

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 14:59

It said that the update was not necessary for my operating system. Does it come through on automatic updates? - maybe I already have it. No matter anyway - I just dedicated my 160Gb XP partition to Amiga!

Maybe its time for me to get those couple of 1Tb drives i have been saving for! PC software is just far too bloated these days - I have over 300Gb used in games alone.....

Marcuz · 08 August 2008, 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

Any ideas which USB adaptors i can use and where I might get hold of one?

i have seen some on ebay in the past, but i don't know of sellers (i don't buy hardware usually)

other option, would be to solder one yourself, specs and diagrams are around in this board

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

i have seen some on ebay in the past, but i don't know of sellers (i don't buy hardware usually)

other option, would be to solder one yourself, specs and diagrams are around in this board

I've seen them - but I'm too lazy and I would want it to look tidy (unlike the rest of my work!). A commercial version would be preferred if there is such a thing.

Looking at the community that still follows the Amiga (and Atari etc)- it amazes me that these things are not commonplace - perhaps there would be a market for them!

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

It said that the update was not necessary for my operating system.

Which could mean both: you have it, you don't need it, but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

Does it come through on automatic updates?

No idea, but I guess yes, it's a rather important performance fix

Oh well, no more Vista, no more problems with a new unknown system, so, have fun with your new huge miggy hd!

Rabbit80 · 08 August 2008, 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

No idea, but I guess yes, it's a rather important performance fix

I guess i would already have it if that is the case - I keep my Windoze up to date.

Shoonay · 08 August 2008, 15:22

Well, you know, the case is not that easy with Viśta, you "only" have what M$ released officially, what has been tested, what hasn't caused many problems...

To REALLY keep up to date, you would have to get ALL the updates that came after SP1.
Try here, and here. Good luck!

I've only ~200 after-SP1 hotfixes, not counting those officially availabvle

And only found 2 buggy (on my sys

) NET hotfixes to this day

06 August 2008, 21:16	#1
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	Vsync + Vista x64 tearing I'm running a dual boot system with XP and Vista x64. Display is set to 720x576@50Hz. Under XP all is perfectly smooth - in fact, i cannot tell it apart on most games from a real Amiga. Under Vista x64 I get a tearing effect going across the screen, slowly moving from bottom to top. I have tried vsync enabled and disabled, and also forcing it on / off in the nVidia control panel. With vsync disabled the tearing jumps around all over the screen - with it enabled it moves upwards slowly then starts from the bottom again. Any ideas anyone?

07 August 2008, 06:27	#2
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	1. got SP1? 2. got the newest (tried beta?) nForce driver? (assuming that's the chipset you've got ) 3. got the newest (tried beta?) graphic driver? 4. got all the official updates from Windows Update, up to date? (no pun intended ) 5. got this hotfix? <--- after SP1, very important 6. got the newest DirectX updated files? Last edited by Shoonay; 07 August 2008 at 14:40.

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07 August 2008, 11:00	#3
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	yet another reason to ditch vista

07 August 2008, 11:02	#4
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	yeah, and another example of my leet skills, because it works only for me perfectly, doesn't it

07 August 2008, 11:17	#7
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	since i switched from 64bit vista to 32bit, everything is perfect for me too, even catweasel and tv card however, i did not notice any difference between for Winuae between the 2 operating systems: i would say it's some hardware' driver problem or Vista fix, as Sh00nay

07 August 2008, 11:19	#8
haynor666 retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 1,748	On my GForce 8800GTS this resolution is custom (not build mode). I'm using it on my second display Samsung 19" CRT and everything is fine. Did you add this resolution with GForce panel ?

07 August 2008, 14:21	#10
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	the two i mentioned were my only two gripes with it anyway (i close this OT on my part by saying that anyway, as all the OS i know of, Vista too is far from being perfect. as all the modern OS tends to impose its way of being used instead of being a obedient tool. in more ways than i can count, and mostly subtle and difficult to spot... consumists' times...)

07 August 2008, 15:32	#11
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	Yes I have SP1 The only thing I wasn't aware of was the Hotfix - i will try that later on when I get chance... I already have all the latest NV drivers for both MB and GFX. I have the latest drivers for everything in fact - I like to keep my software up to date and only roll back if i have problems. In response to Haynor - yes its a custom res added through the NV control panel - Its all resoultions that show this problem though. I have a clean XP install - I might use that just for Amiga stuff - how much Amiga software can I fit onto a 120Gb partition? Are the catweasels worth getting? I have something like 700+ amiga disks in my attic and no Amiga to use them on - but I can easily put a 2nd floppy drive in my PC and use the convert to ADF stuff.. The only real advantage I can see to the catweasel is the support for my old Amiga joystick - or is there a cheap usb convertor that somebody could tell me about?

07 August 2008, 16:15	#12
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	usb convertors are a best bet imho: catweasel isn't exactly cheap, it is not supported on Vista (it just work on vista 32 bit, but i haven't tryed much adf imaging). it is also worth mentioning that it is uncompatible with certain drives: for that you have to check a list on the producer site.

07 August 2008, 23:25	#13
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	Any ideas which USB adaptors i can use and where I might get hold of one? Edit: I tried the update and it won't install - I guess that I will live with my XP install for now!

08 August 2008, 14:59	#15
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	It said that the update was not necessary for my operating system. Does it come through on automatic updates? - maybe I already have it. No matter anyway - I just dedicated my 160Gb XP partition to Amiga! Maybe its time for me to get those couple of 1Tb drives i have been saving for! PC software is just far too bloated these days - I have over 300Gb used in games alone.....

08 August 2008, 15:22	#20
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	Well, you know, the case is not that easy with Viśta, you "only" have what M$ released officially, what has been tested, what hasn't caused many problems... To REALLY keep up to date, you would have to get ALL the updates that came after SP1. Try here, and here. Good luck! I've only ~200 after-SP1 hotfixes, not counting those officially availabvle And only found 2 buggy (on my sys ) NET hotfixes to this day

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