Original boing ball demo - Page 2

mark_k · 07 April 2016, 20:25

Out of curiosity I tested the patched Boing under Kickstart 27.3. I copied it to a blank bootable disk, along with mathtrans.library from a Workbench 1.0 disk (since the demo needs that). The emulated system locked up on running the demo. I didn't investigate further as to why.

s2325 · 16 April 2016, 15:27

Boing Ball for TRS-80 CoCo [ Show youtube player ]

stevsurv · 17 April 2016, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by necronom

r.cade: Yes, you are right. That was more me guessing why they wanted 1.0 than what they actually said. It's probably more to do with saying 'This is what it could do when it first came out', I guess. If the screen shows a later version it kind of spoils it a bit.

stevsurv: Could you point me to a download of that?

I have 2 adf's with file dates of 25-nov-85 and 22-aug-85 on the juggler demos. The byte sizes of the files and the disk are different on each adf - No files are crunched or packed. There are other demos varying in size on each adf as well.

Only problem is am legally unsure of uploading to the zone as each adf are both labeled - "Workbench Demos"

prowler · 18 April 2016, 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevsurv

I have 2 adf's with file dates of 25-nov-85 and 22-aug-85 on the juggler demos. The byte sizes of the files and the disk are different on each adf - No files are crunched or packed. There are other demos varying in size on each adf as well.

Only problem is am legally unsure of uploading to the zone as each adf are both labeled - "Workbench Demos"

It's okay to upload those. I have uploaded Workbench Demos myself in the past.

I believe those I uploaded may have been programmed for use by Amiga dealers running them on their display machines.

stevsurv · 19 April 2016, 08:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

It's okay to upload those. I have uploaded Workbench Demos myself in the past.

I believe those I uploaded may have been programmed for use by Amiga dealers running them on their display machines.

Cool! I have 2 versions in archive of Boing demo dated - 22-aug-85 and 25-nov-85.

Have tested each adf's Boing demo with WB1.0 and the 25-nov-85 does not work and 22-aug-85 Boing demo works perfectly. Both disks are unmodified. They are in the zone.

mark_k · 19 April 2016, 14:20

Thanks for that! So it seems there are at least three distinct versions of the original/early Boing demo:
- The 1.0-compatible one.
- The later requires-1.1 one.
- The still-later one where you can adjust the speed of the ball, not just start/stop it.

The earliest version gives a clue as to the reason why the original OpenLibrary() function was renamed OldOpenLibrary(), and a new OpenLibrary() call introduced with Kickstart 1.1.

In the earliest version, the C compiler startup code doesn't put the minimum required library version in D0 before calling [Old]OpenLibrary() to open dos.library.

mark_k · 19 April 2016, 14:29

I hadn't seen the Mandril demo before. The original version is on wb_1.0_demos-22aug85.adf. The version on wbdemos-25-nov-85.adf has been patched by someone to work with fast memory, so that will no longer run under Kickstart 1.0.

To run the original version, run NoFastMem first. Also note that it must be run from Workbench, not CLI.

Amiga_CDTV · 19 April 2016, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_k

I hadn't seen the Mandril demo before.

It's seen in the video of the [ Show youtube player ].

The same mandril image is also included in the Amix tape and I remember seeing an episode of Computer Chronicles with some early colour laser printer and it was used as an example there as well!

necronom · 19 April 2016, 17:58

Is there some secret handshake you need to know to get "In The Zone"?

Thalion · 19 April 2016, 18:10

http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=vb_...ezone_faq_item

necronom · 19 April 2016, 18:19

Thanks, Thalion.

stevsurv · 20 April 2016, 03:48

Just zoned another Workbench demo disk that might be of interest. Its a Dealer Workbench Demo disk with instruments sound disk.

- Tested to work in WB1.1 and above. Does not work in WB1.0.
= Contains a script file for creating a demo disk. (untested)
- Has an accompanying Sounds disk.

prowler · 22 April 2016, 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevsurv

Just zoned another Workbench demo disk that might be of interest. Its a Dealer Workbench Demo disk with instruments sound disk.

- Tested to work in WB1.1 and above. Does not work in WB1.0.
= Contains a script file for creating a demo disk. (untested)
- Has an accompanying Sounds disk.

This thread has some more info: Dealer Workbench Demo Disk 1.0.

Jope · 05 May 2016, 21:08

This is wonderful, thanks for the images!

TjLaZer · 14 September 2017, 03:47

has anyone patched this for WB 3.1? As you know, it has gadget corruption when you switch between WB and the demo screen. See at 1:13 on this video.

[ Show youtube player ]

woop · 22 March 2018, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevsurv

Cool! I have 2 versions in archive of Boing demo dated - 22-aug-85 and 25-nov-85.

Have tested each adf's Boing demo with WB1.0 and the 25-nov-85 does not work and 22-aug-85 Boing demo works perfectly. Both disks are unmodified. They are in the zone.

I'm interested in this 22-aug-85 boing demo version. Did anybody stored it?

Jope · 03 May 2018, 13:58

You can probably find it from the eab file server.

hexaae · 25 July 2021, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by TjLaZer

has anyone patched this for WB 3.1? As you know, it has gadget corruption when you switch between WB and the demo screen. See at 1:13 on this video.

[ Show youtube player ]

Yeah... is there a WB3.1-friendly patched version without gadget corruption and working sound? Working also when launched from a RTG-WB screen maybe...

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07 April 2016, 20:25	#21
mark_k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Posts: 3,333	Out of curiosity I tested the patched Boing under Kickstart 27.3. I copied it to a blank bootable disk, along with mathtrans.library from a Workbench 1.0 disk (since the demo needs that). The emulated system locked up on running the demo. I didn't investigate further as to why.

16 April 2016, 15:27	#22
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Boing Ball for TRS-80 CoCo [ Show youtube player ]

19 April 2016, 14:20	#26
mark_k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Posts: 3,333	Thanks for that! So it seems there are at least three distinct versions of the original/early Boing demo: - The 1.0-compatible one. - The later requires-1.1 one. - The still-later one where you can adjust the speed of the ball, not just start/stop it. The earliest version gives a clue as to the reason why the original OpenLibrary() function was renamed OldOpenLibrary(), and a new OpenLibrary() call introduced with Kickstart 1.1. In the earliest version, the C compiler startup code doesn't put the minimum required library version in D0 before calling [Old]OpenLibrary() to open dos.library.

19 April 2016, 14:29	#27
mark_k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Posts: 3,333	I hadn't seen the Mandril demo before. The original version is on wb_1.0_demos-22aug85.adf. The version on wbdemos-25-nov-85.adf has been patched by someone to work with fast memory, so that will no longer run under Kickstart 1.0. To run the original version, run NoFastMem first. Also note that it must be run from Workbench, not CLI.

19 April 2016, 17:58	#29
necronom Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Middlesbrough Posts: 87	Is there some secret handshake you need to know to get "In The Zone"?

19 April 2016, 18:10	#30
Thalion Amiga Collector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Germany Age: 41 Posts: 679	http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=vb_...ezone_faq_item

19 April 2016, 18:19	#31
necronom Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Middlesbrough Posts: 87	Thanks, Thalion.

20 April 2016, 03:48	#32
stevsurv Beta 1.666 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in 1985 Posts: 384	Just zoned another Workbench demo disk that might be of interest. Its a Dealer Workbench Demo disk with instruments sound disk. - Tested to work in WB1.1 and above. Does not work in WB1.0. = Contains a script file for creating a demo disk. (untested) - Has an accompanying Sounds disk.

05 May 2016, 21:08	#34
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	This is wonderful, thanks for the images!

14 September 2017, 03:47	#35
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	has anyone patched this for WB 3.1? As you know, it has gadget corruption when you switch between WB and the demo screen. See at 1:13 on this video. [ Show youtube player ]

03 May 2018, 13:58	#37
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	You can probably find it from the eab file server.

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