virtua racing on amiga possible ?

[turrican3]

Hi guys,
do you think that virtua racing is doable on amiga ??
Myself, i think yes, on a 030 50mhz or at least on a 040.
I always asked myself why nobody tried to make a port or a clone ????
Which cpu do you think will be necessary to make it run on aga ?
If aga is a must have for it ??

[Adropac2]

In the right hands with a good engine I'm sure a decent effort could emerge. It would be very paired back visually of course on a 68030 but NSP showed that even on the A500 a an excellent game is possible at decent speed so potentially a 68030 could be very good indeed

Leading Lap was an example of a not incredibly blazing engine however even on a 68030 so hopefully not like that. Although I actually don't mind the game

[Gorf]

I guess this version for the "pico 8", might be doable even with lower specs:
https://freds72.itch.io/virtua-racing

[Matt_H]

I'm sure an 030 could handle this easily. See this thing, which seems far more complicated and based around an A3000.

[TCD]

This isn't the same as Virtua Racing, but I think it shows that it would be possible to make at least a tuned down version of Virtua Racing. I mean if the MegaDrive/Genesis can do it...

[Retroplay]

Originally Posted by TCD

I mean if the MegaDrive/Genesis can do it...

Well, it didn't do it alone.
https://www.sega-16.com/2006/03/sega...oad-not-taken/

[TCD]

Originally Posted by Retroplay

Well, it didn't do it alone.
https://www.sega-16.com/2006/03/sega...oad-not-taken/

I know If that chip is really so powerful that a 68030 (or better) won't be able to do more or less the same then hats off to Sega Also shame on them for making a 32X and not simply using that chip more often instead

[turrican3]

Originally Posted by Matt_H

I'm sure an 030 could handle this easily. See this thing, which seems far more complicated and based around an A3000.

Yes, but with a special 3d gfx hardware.

[roondar]

Originally Posted by TCD

I know If that chip is really so powerful that a 68030 (or better) won't be able to do more or less the same then hats off to Sega Also shame on them for making a 32X and not simply using that chip more often instead

AFAIK the chip SEGA used is some sort of RISC monster. In a previous thread on Virtua Fighter for the 68030 it turned out that this chip is probably faster than a 68030@50MHz.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by roondar

AFAIK the chip SEGA used is some sort of RISC monster. In a previous thread on Virtua Fighter for the 68030 it turned out that this chip is probably faster than a 68030@50MHz.

Interesting. Here's the thread: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=101353

I just skimmed the thread, but I assume the answer to this thread is already in that thread

[roondar]

Probably, yeah

[gimbal]

Originally Posted by TCD

Interesting. Here's the thread: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=101353

I just skimmed the thread, but I assume the answer to this thread is already in that thread

The general gist seems to be anywhere between "Of course the Amiga can do anything" VS "No" and "Hell no". And then for some reason it ends with "who needs Virtua Fighter, all you need is IK+". So a classic EAB thread I would say full of hope, desperation, denial and pride.

Virtua Fighter 1 was for the 32X and the Saturn though, Virtua Racing seems to run on a stock Genesis too. So it might be comparing apples and oranges.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by gimbal

Virtua Fighter 1 was for the 32X and the Saturn though, Virtua Racing seems to run on a stock Genesis too. So it might be comparing apples and oranges.

Surely you know that Virtua Fighter was also ported to the MegaDrive/Genesis using the same chip as Virtua Racing.

[khph_re]

If this can run fully texture mapped and with vertex shading,:
https://hol.abime.net/1578
I don't see why flat shading on an 030 would be a problem in the right hands.
In the right hands

[roondar]

I guess the issue is mostly one of speed. Virtua Racing (& fighter) both ran at high frame rates, most of complex the Amiga 3D games don't come close to that.

[gimbal]

Originally Posted by TCD

Surely you know that Virtua Fighter was also ported to the MegaDrive/Genesis using the same chip as Virtua Racing.

Nope, just going off of what a google and youtube search told me. I only saw a Virtua Fighter 2 for the Genesis (without 32X expansion).

[TCD]

Originally Posted by gimbal

Nope, just going off of what a google and youtube search told me. I only saw a Virtua Fighter 2 for the Genesis (without 32X expansion).

Yeah, my bad. It's Viruta Fighter 2 that was released unsing that chip after the 32X was discontinued. Point still stands though: Virtua Fighter 2 and Virtua Racing would have very similar requirements when ported to the Amiga. In the thread there's a lengthy discussion why the Amiga (without a 3D accelerator) won't be able to run Virtua Fighter well. I mean I recently played Metal Slug on the MegaDrive, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone finds a clever way to do it still.

[gimbal]

Originally Posted by khph_re

I don't see why flat shading on an 030 would be a problem in the right hands.
In the right hands

But which hands? But which hands?

[Matt_H]

Originally Posted by TCD

Yeah, my bad. It's Viruta Fighter 2 that was released unsing that chip after the 32X was discontinued. Point still stands though: Virtua Fighter 2 and Virtua Racing would have very similar requirements when ported to the Amiga. In the thread there's a lengthy discussion why the Amiga (without a 3D accelerator) won't be able to run Virtua Fighter well. I mean I recently played Metal Slug on the MegaDrive, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone finds a clever way to do it still.

Virtua Fighter 2 on the Genesis/MegaDrive doesn't use the SVP chip (Virtua Racing was the only game to do so). It's not even a 3D game, just a 2D fighter with some pseudo-3D background effects. Totally different code and assets compared to the arcade/Saturn versions.


But given that the Amiga has Hunter, Frontier, Stunt Car Racer, Zeewolf, Guardian, etc., an 030 could definitely handle Virtua Racing or Virtua Fighter 1. Virtua Fighter 2 is a much more complex beast that I don't think would be possible; a hypothetical Amiga port would need to be significantly cut down in resolution and graphical complexity... unless you want to port the 16-bit version, which should be a piece of cake.

[alexh]

I imagine you could do this on the A3000++ with an 030 AND a DSP

But the problem is that it is a huge undertaking to write a bespoke version (rather than have the horsepower to just emulate an existing system). You'd have to get someone very very invested or a very big bounty to get anything.

Or possibly a source code leak.