Mouse wheel support for OS3.9 UI

hexaae · 21 January 2018, 18:09

Maybe I forgot this... but is there a patch to add mouse wheel support to OS39 UI (ClassAction)? I'm currently using WinUAE with OS3.9...

honx · 21 January 2018, 18:12

classaction is the one and only ui element i never was able to find mousewheel support for.

freewheel and muiwheel work for everything else including mui. but nothing works for classaction.

Minuous · 22 January 2018, 05:35

That is not quite correct; eg. the MCE and Report+ programs, among others, are ReAction-based programs with mouse wheel support.

The gadgets themselves don't do anything with mouse wheel messages (eg. NM_WHEEL_DOWN) but the application can listen for them and take an appropriate action. This allows flexibility in how such events are handled.

Still, it would be good if FreeWheel supported ReAction, to take some sensible default action (eg. scroll) for RA applications that don't have their own wheel handling.

hexaae · 22 January 2018, 20:35

Yes, would be great if FreeWheel supported ReAction/ClassAct..
I've seen sources (for VBCC 0.7) are included...
http://m68k.aminet.net/package/util/mouse/FreeWheel

Maybe one day one volunteer will be able to integrate support for the official OS3.5/9 UI too

EDIT:
Unfortunately there is a note by the FreeWheel dev about this in the guide:

ClassAct:
Again, WheelMouse can't recognise the scrollbars generated by these
GUI toolkits. As with MUI, programs which respond to cursor-key
movements will work. If you want to see support for wheelmouse events
in these packages, pester the authors; adding wheelmouse support should
be very very easy for someone with access to the sourcecode, and very
very hard without!

AMIGASYSTEM · 22 January 2018, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuous

Still, it would be good if FreeWheel supported ReAction

To me with FreeWheel the mousewheel on NetSurf "ReAction" (by Chris Young) it works.

honx · 22 January 2018, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

To me with FreeWheel the mousewheel on NetSurf "ReAction" (by Chris Young) it works.

well, good for netsurf. but what about all other reaction based programs?
netsurf itsself supports mousewheel, this has nothing to do with reaction.
as minuous said already:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuous

The gadgets themselves don't do anything with mouse wheel messages (eg. NM_WHEEL_DOWN) but the application can listen for them and take an appropriate action.

AMIGASYSTEM · 22 January 2018, 21:27

No NetSurf "by Arti" does not need, NetSurf "By Chris Young" yes need the application FreeWheel.

Tell me about which programs do not work so I do some tests

honx · 22 January 2018, 22:13

every application which comes with os 3.9 like editpad, unarc, screenmode prefs, locale prefs and others...

AMIGASYSTEM · 22 January 2018, 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by honx

every application which comes with os 3.9 like editpad, unarc, screenmode prefs, locale prefs and others...

I confirm with these applications not work mousewheel

Minuous · 23 January 2018, 05:17

Quote:

Unfortunately there is a note by the FreeWheel dev about this in the guide:

ClassAct: Again, WheelMouse can't recognise the scrollbars generated by these
GUI toolkits.

I had a quick look at the code, I don't think it is an insoluble problem. Obviously the gadget detection and adjustment would need changing, it should be doable though.

However, last time I uploaded a fixed version of an abandonware PD program to Aminet it was rejected with a flame :-( Therefore I don't want to risk the same happening again and being banned from updating any of my own programs. It might be therefore be necessary to write an entire new program instead for this reason. Which I don't really have time/motivation to do currently.

gulliver · 23 January 2018, 06:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuous

I had a quick look at the code, I don't think it is an insoluble problem. Obviously the gadget detection and adjustment would need changing, it should be doable though.

However, last time I uploaded a fixed version of an abandonware PD program to Aminet it was rejected with a flame :-( Therefore I don't want to risk the same happening again and being banned from updating any of my own programs. It might be therefore be necessary to write an entire new program instead for this reason. Which I don't really have time/motivation to do currently.

Just upload to Aminet the patch (spatch) with a nice readme ad you wont have problems.

Locutus · 23 January 2018, 07:51

The license included with the package is worded.....stupidly:

Quote:

Full source code is provided, in the hope that it will be of help and interest to others. You are encouraged to incorporate any of the source files into your own projects, as long as they are freeware/shareware, and you credit me.

So does that mean only derivations but no changes in mainline? So what is the definition of a derivation here? If i just replace all names, fix the bugs and accredit the original owner in the docs is it 'my own project'?

And this is why you dont write your own software licenses.........

Daedalus · 23 January 2018, 16:00

I think that's fairly clear. You can use any of the source for your own project, so long as it's free and the original author is credited. There's nothing that says there's a limit on the amount of the code you can incorporate into your own project, so if I made a new "DaedalusWheel" with 99.5% of the original source, adding 0.5% new code to handle ReAction windows, that should be perfectly fine.

hexaae · 23 January 2018, 22:58

@Minuous
Would be amazing if you can upload a patch (only) on Aminet. Mouse wheel support for ReAction/ClassAct based tools included with OS3.5/3.9 is badly needed...

Feel absolutely free to send me a PM if you need beta-testing.

robinsonb5 · 23 January 2018, 23:46

For what it's worth, I'm FreeWheel's author, and I'm quite happy for anyone to hack on this and release their own version. I'm also quite happy for anyone to send me patches or improvements and do an "official" release. I don't currently have time (or an OS3.5/3.9 installation) to put much effort into this myself but I'll certainly help where I can.

[@Locutus - totally agree with you regarding licensing. 18-year-old me wasn't so wise!]

Minuous · 24 January 2018, 02:47

@robinsonb5:

OK, thanks.

It's not as straightforward as I originally thought; there is only one entry in the window's gadget list (presumably a layout gadget), regardless of how many RA gadgets are in the window. I don't see any supported way to ask layout.gadget for the address of the child gadget under the pointer.

Locutus · 24 January 2018, 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by robinsonb5

[@Locutus - totally agree with you regarding licensing. 18-year-old me wasn't so wise!]

Hah, good to hear you are still active. Hey youthful mistakes happen

robinsonb5 · 24 January 2018, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuous

I don't see any supported way to ask layout.gadget for the address of the child gadget under the pointer.

Ah - that's a shame. That would explain why I gave up trying to add support way back when. I couldn't remember what the reason was, but I knew there was one.

21 January 2018, 18:09	#1
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	Mouse wheel support for OS3.9 UI Maybe I forgot this... but is there a patch to add mouse wheel support to OS39 UI (ClassAction)? I'm currently using WinUAE with OS3.9...

22 January 2018, 05:35	#3
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,641	That is not quite correct; eg. the MCE and Report+ programs, among others, are ReAction-based programs with mouse wheel support. The gadgets themselves don't do anything with mouse wheel messages (eg. NM_WHEEL_DOWN) but the application can listen for them and take an appropriate action. This allows flexibility in how such events are handled. Still, it would be good if FreeWheel supported ReAction, to take some sensible default action (eg. scroll) for RA applications that don't have their own wheel handling. Last edited by Minuous; 22 January 2018 at 06:15.

22 January 2018, 20:35	#4
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	Yes, would be great if FreeWheel supported ReAction/ClassAct.. I've seen sources (for VBCC 0.7) are included... http://m68k.aminet.net/package/util/mouse/FreeWheel Maybe one day one volunteer will be able to integrate support for the official OS3.5/9 UI too EDIT: Unfortunately there is a note by the FreeWheel dev about this in the guide: ClassAct: Again, WheelMouse can't recognise the scrollbars generated by these GUI toolkits. As with MUI, programs which respond to cursor-key movements will work. If you want to see support for wheelmouse events in these packages, pester the authors; adding wheelmouse support should be very very easy for someone with access to the sourcecode, and very very hard without! Last edited by hexaae; 22 January 2018 at 20:44.

24 January 2018, 02:47	#16
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,641	@robinsonb5: OK, thanks. It's not as straightforward as I originally thought; there is only one entry in the window's gadget list (presumably a layout gadget), regardless of how many RA gadgets are in the window. I don't see any supported way to ask layout.gadget for the address of the child gadget under the pointer. Last edited by Minuous; 24 January 2018 at 05:31.

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21 January 2018, 18:12	#2
honx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Klagenfurt / Austria Posts: 1,569	classaction is the one and only ui element i never was able to find mousewheel support for. freewheel and muiwheel work for everything else including mui. but nothing works for classaction.

22 January 2018, 21:27	#7
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,252	No NetSurf "by Arti" does not need, NetSurf "By Chris Young" yes need the application FreeWheel. Tell me about which programs do not work so I do some tests

22 January 2018, 22:13	#8
honx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Klagenfurt / Austria Posts: 1,569	every application which comes with os 3.9 like editpad, unarc, screenmode prefs, locale prefs and others...

23 January 2018, 16:00	#13
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,347	I think that's fairly clear. You can use any of the source for your own project, so long as it's free and the original author is credited. There's nothing that says there's a limit on the amount of the code you can incorporate into your own project, so if I made a new "DaedalusWheel" with 99.5% of the original source, adding 0.5% new code to handle ReAction windows, that should be perfectly fine.

23 January 2018, 22:58	#14
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	@Minuous Would be amazing if you can upload a patch (only) on Aminet. Mouse wheel support for ReAction/ClassAct based tools included with OS3.5/3.9 is badly needed... Feel absolutely free to send me a PM if you need beta-testing.

23 January 2018, 23:46	#15
robinsonb5 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,153	For what it's worth, I'm FreeWheel's author, and I'm quite happy for anyone to hack on this and release their own version. I'm also quite happy for anyone to send me patches or improvements and do an "official" release. I don't currently have time (or an OS3.5/3.9 installation) to put much effort into this myself but I'll certainly help where I can. [@Locutus - totally agree with you regarding licensing. 18-year-old me wasn't so wise!]

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