new amiga 500 doom like ! - Page 44

Mathesar · 23 July 2021, 21:15

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Originally Posted by KK/Altair

So, everybody is eager to see some new stuff... but when I specifically ask for help (above) in watching the almost final versions of the next video, no one turns up.
I don't quite get it.

I didn't felt worthy

But what a perfect episode. The new graphics look all amazing. The artists have done a wonderful job.

The second level you made to showcase the new assets and enemies has a good vibe to it. The ceilings and open sky areas make it feel like exploring an alien temple complex or sorts. Really nice!

And what was that teaser at the beginning of the video????

Also @Tsak, the easter egg on the door is in the logo right? It looks familiar....

vulture · 23 July 2021, 21:18

Who could've ever believed this was achievable on a mere A500?
Pure and utter epicness!!!

rothers · 23 July 2021, 21:28

So was that a little sneak peak near the start of working stairs?

It's amazing, and I think running this on an old 14" colour TV with my Amiga will look fantastic. For some reason that's how I want to play this. I want to finally get what we didn't get back in 1993.

Tsak · 23 July 2021, 22:31

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Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

One thing I didn't understand, is when the Pixel Glass mentioned BG gradient

That's Dennis aka PixelShade. Too many pixels, he he

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Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

does that gradient move at same speed as cloud or a little slower? If it's a little slower, then I think it should be way more slow, because parallax is almost invisible now.

There is no parallax, both gradient and cloud are in the same pic. I know, would be cool if we had this in 2 layers and there was parallax but it's not a priority. Then again never say never with this project

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Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

Also.. the cloud itself... I like it... but it looks like it's observed from above, not bellow... and also... wouldn't it make more sense if the cloud(s) are in the very top of the image, and horizon gradient bellow, and not the other way around?

No, in real life similar clouds often are exactly like that. It was just yesterday I was showing my son an array of puffy, big clouds positioned exactly as Dennis did.

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Originally Posted by Mathesar

I didn't felt worthy

Also @Tsak, the easter egg on the door is in the logo right? It looks familiar....

Yup, it's in the logo

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Originally Posted by rothers

So was that a little sneak peak near the start of working stairs?

Maybe

17BitRetro · 23 July 2021, 22:44

This is just amazing really. I've been following all the videos and this latest update just looks eye-poppingly amazing! Oh and that sub/half pixel scaling..

I can totally feel the effort put into this. Great job!

modrobert · 23 July 2021, 22:44

The game is taking shape, it looks incredible with the new graphics, and as pointed out several times; hard to believe this is for A500.

I really like the format of the video as it explains the development process so well.

ESC · 23 July 2021, 23:13

Great work as usual guys, the only issue I have is with the sky, the cloud is a bit to big for my taste, I'd rather have more smaller clouds than one big one but maybe it'll grow on me.

I mean, the sky looks great and it's nice work but it kind of looks a bit off having it like that. I really don't mean to be overly critical, it's great work all of you are doing.

Tsak · 23 July 2021, 23:16

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Originally Posted by ESC

Great work as usual guys, the only issue I have is with the sky, the cloud is a bit to big for my taste, I'd rather have more smaller clouds than one big one but maybe it'll grow on me.

I mean, the sky looks great and it's nice work but it kind of looks a bit off having it like that. I really don't mean to be overly critical, it's great work all of you are doing.

No worries, all feedback is highly appreciated!

KK/Altair · 24 July 2021, 00:00

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Well, the reason why I decided not to, is because I am interested in every single part of creation of the game, therefore I probably wouldn't advice to cut-out anything, and therefore I would be a bad judge on the subject.

That's not the point.
The thing is, when I render a video, it's best to rewatch it all from start to finish to hunt down any issues that are potential roadblocks.
And it's quite time consuming to rewatch a 30-minute video every time.

I only meant final checks. All the editing is already done.
And I never cut out material once it's there.

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After KK intervention, does that gradient move at same speed as cloud or a little slower? If it's a little slower, then I think it should be way more slow, because parallax is almost invisible now.

There is no parallax. That's why Dennis didn't go with the back clouds already.

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I didn't felt worthy

You are interested in this project and willing to talk here about it, therefore you are.

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Who could've ever believed this was achievable on a mere A500?

Me neither.

Remember that I started with a Wolf3D engine in Wildcat. The rest is just a neverending improvement upon that.

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So was that a little sneak peak near the start of working stairs?

Only prototyped in the tool right now. So it's a long way to go, but we'll get there.

kriz · 24 July 2021, 03:21

It looks so cool, amazing work and progression is crazy!! You rock guys!!

BSzili · 24 July 2021, 07:27

I have to get a crowbar, because my jaws are permanently attached to the floor after watching the development video series

d4rk3lf · 24 July 2021, 07:58

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Originally Posted by Tsak

There is no parallax, both gradient and cloud are in the same pic.

Then, IMHO, Pixel Shade's initial idea with clear gradient is better then KK's adjustment, because with clear gradient (without noise), it would indeed look like gradient is static, therefore, giving the illusion of parallax.

And I have to agreed with ESC here:

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Originally Posted by ESC

the cloud is a bit to big for my taste, I'd rather have more smaller clouds than one big one but maybe it'll grow on me.

d4rk3lf · 24 July 2021, 08:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by KK/Altair

That's not the point.
The thing is, when I render a video, it's best to rewatch it all from start to finish to hunt down any issues that are potential roadblocks.
And it's quite time consuming to rewatch a 30-minute video every time.

Ahh.. I didn't realized that this is what you asked... sorry about that...
Count me in, next time.

Mathesar · 24 July 2021, 08:09

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Originally Posted by Tsak

Yup, it's in the logo

https://wearaltair.com/

Konrad · 24 July 2021, 08:36

This looks really amazing. I would've never thought that a game with that quality could run on an Amiga.
Great work on engine and graphics!

I really do like the clouds as they are. I understand what peope mean with the clouds being too big, as it seems that the map is close to them, like a base in the skies.
But this way you can put alot of details in them, and I really like the look. Leave them as they are.

I would let them move slower, though. Or not at all, as this would better give the impression that they are far away.

trixster · 24 July 2021, 10:20

Latest video is really quite remarkable. Amazing work by all you guys!

manossg · 24 July 2021, 10:37

This is amazing progress, congratulations to everybody involved!

jb2815 · 24 July 2021, 11:19

This is really great! Will the demo include the Dreadtool to play around with creating maps?

eXeler0 · 24 July 2021, 11:30

Amazing work & great video. Thanx for your hard work, the advanced ceiling (the one above the "alien") looks more advanced than I thought we'd see in this engine and the redone textures really elevate it to a new level.
Some feedback then, sky texture looks nice and (probably pretty easy to swap for different levels) i wonder if the high scroll speed is the best. Sometimes when you strafe sideways in same or opposite direction of the scroll it may generate some funky results ;-) Would be interesting to see a comparison with static or much more slowly scrolling sky.
Anhoo, keep up the amazing work!

BSzili · 24 July 2021, 11:37

Same here. The size of the clouds look fine to me (remember the Doom 2 skies?), but the scrolling feels a bit fast.

23 July 2021, 22:44	#866
modrobert old bearded fool Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangkok Age: 56 Posts: 775	The game is taking shape, it looks incredible with the new graphics, and as pointed out several times; hard to believe this is for A500. I really like the format of the video as it explains the development process so well. Last edited by modrobert; 24 July 2021 at 06:32.

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23 July 2021, 21:18	#862
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,840	Who could've ever believed this was achievable on a mere A500? Pure and utter epicness!!!

23 July 2021, 21:28	#863
rothers Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: UK Posts: 487	So was that a little sneak peak near the start of working stairs? It's amazing, and I think running this on an old 14" colour TV with my Amiga will look fantastic. For some reason that's how I want to play this. I want to finally get what we didn't get back in 1993.

23 July 2021, 22:44	#865
17BitRetro Registered User Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: London Posts: 11	This is just amazing really. I've been following all the videos and this latest update just looks eye-poppingly amazing! Oh and that sub/half pixel scaling.. I can totally feel the effort put into this. Great job!

23 July 2021, 23:13	#867
ESC Bad Banana Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Sweden Posts: 58	Great work as usual guys, the only issue I have is with the sky, the cloud is a bit to big for my taste, I'd rather have more smaller clouds than one big one but maybe it'll grow on me. I mean, the sky looks great and it's nice work but it kind of looks a bit off having it like that. I really don't mean to be overly critical, it's great work all of you are doing.

24 July 2021, 03:21	#870
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,185	It looks so cool, amazing work and progression is crazy!! You rock guys!!

24 July 2021, 07:27	#871
BSzili old chunk of coal Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,289	I have to get a crowbar, because my jaws are permanently attached to the floor after watching the development video series

24 July 2021, 08:36	#875
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	This looks really amazing. I would've never thought that a game with that quality could run on an Amiga. Great work on engine and graphics! I really do like the clouds as they are. I understand what peope mean with the clouds being too big, as it seems that the map is close to them, like a base in the skies. But this way you can put alot of details in them, and I really like the look. Leave them as they are. I would let them move slower, though. Or not at all, as this would better give the impression that they are far away.

24 July 2021, 10:20	#876
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	Latest video is really quite remarkable. Amazing work by all you guys!

24 July 2021, 10:37	#877
manossg Registered User Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Greece Posts: 992	This is amazing progress, congratulations to everybody involved!

24 July 2021, 11:19	#878
jb2815 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: New Zealand Posts: 15	This is really great! Will the demo include the Dreadtool to play around with creating maps?

24 July 2021, 11:30	#879
eXeler0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 2,946	Amazing work & great video. Thanx for your hard work, the advanced ceiling (the one above the "alien") looks more advanced than I thought we'd see in this engine and the redone textures really elevate it to a new level. Some feedback then, sky texture looks nice and (probably pretty easy to swap for different levels) i wonder if the high scroll speed is the best. Sometimes when you strafe sideways in same or opposite direction of the scroll it may generate some funky results ;-) Would be interesting to see a comparison with static or much more slowly scrolling sky. Anhoo, keep up the amazing work!

24 July 2021, 11:37	#880
BSzili old chunk of coal Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,289	Same here. The size of the clouds look fine to me (remember the Doom 2 skies?), but the scrolling feels a bit fast.

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