Did Retro Games LTD Licence WHDLoad...?

spannernick · 30 December 2021, 16:33

In a video they say they did, that means they payed to use it in a licenced product(well that only fair, it does not work without it), THEA500Mini, it licenced by Cloanto to use the Kickstart roms only(only 3 kickstarts A500, A600 and A1200) not the Amiga name...?

Sorry had to ask...

Wepl · 30 December 2021, 22:06

Currently there exists no license agreement to use WHDLoad or any installs created by me in any product of Retro Games LTD.

Retro-Nerd · 31 December 2021, 03:22

Yeah, this is embarrassing. Check the bottom text on their website.

Quote:

© 2021 Retro Games Ltd. THEA500 is a registered trademark of Retro Games Ltd. All other trademarks and copyrights are the property of their respective owners. All rights reserved. Product specification subject to change without notice. Amiga ROMs © 1985–1993 Cloanto Corporation. All Rights Reserved. Furnished under license from Cloanto Corporation. Cloanto is a trademark owned by Cloanto Corporation throughout the world and registered in the United States and internationally. WHDLoad is a trademark of WHD Llc.

This is a U.S. construction company.

stainy · 31 December 2021, 03:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wepl

Currently there exists no license agreement to use WHDLoad or any installs created by me in any product of Retro Games LTD.

So are they doing something naughty here?

dlfrsilver · 31 December 2021, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by stainy

So are they doing something naughty here?

Yes. They should have contacted Wepl for a licensed use.

kriz · 31 December 2021, 14:47

Not cool, seemed like they got everything sorted from the start but it seems not like now.. Still this product need whdload support, so I hope it will get sorted asap!

Superman · 31 December 2021, 15:33

Considering this is due for release in exactly 3 months time they haven't left much time to get this sorted correctly.

I hope they don't just assume it ok and use it without the authors permission because that would be a big no no.

girv · 01 January 2022, 15:55

It would also be interesting to know if they used WHDLoad versions of the games the Mini ships with, because they definitely haven’t approached the author of the Paradroid installer about licensing either.

Torti-the-Smurf · 01 January 2022, 17:04

They didnt even had the decency to ask Master Wepl ?

; and the Creators of the Slaves for the included games ?

Retro Games Ltd. wants to make money with there work and didnt even ask ?

WTF !!

Who do they think they are ?

If nothing changes, i will not buy any Retro Games Ltd product

stainy · 01 January 2022, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torti-the-Smurf

They didnt even had the decency to ask Master Wepl ?

; and the Creators of the Slaves for the included games ?

Retro Games Ltd. wants to make money with there work and didnt even ask ?

WTF !!

Who do they think they are ?

If nothing changes, i will not buy any Retro Games Ltd product

Oh yeah.. you`ll show them alright!

It`s still not ok they didn`t contact authors etc..

Matt_H · 01 January 2022, 20:46

Before everyone starts flipping out about this, does the shipping product actually use WHDLoad? Or is it designed to be compatible with WHDLoad as a way of users adding their own games (i.e., users provide their own WHDLoad executable)?

spudje · 01 January 2022, 21:55

On A1k it has been confirmed WHDLoad has been properly licensed for the A500mini. So please don't claim anything that is not based on any facts.

Retro-Nerd · 01 January 2022, 21:57

Since when? On December 30th Wepl confirmed that nobody licensed anything yet.

stainy · 01 January 2022, 22:09

A1k ?

Retro-Nerd · 01 January 2022, 22:17

A German Amiga forum. Looks like spudje lost something in translation in their A500 mini thread (just had a quick read). It is as Wepl pointed out with post# 2, yet.

Galahad/FLT · 01 January 2022, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by spudje

On A1k it has been confirmed WHDLoad has been properly licensed for the A500mini. So please don't claim anything that is not based on any facts.

The OWNER of WHDLoad begs to differ

AMike · 01 January 2022, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wepl

Currently there exists no license agreement to use WHDLoad or any installs created by me in any product of Retro Games LTD.

If funding is needed for legal action, I would be happy to donate some money.

Retro-Nerd · 01 January 2022, 23:34

Huh, a funding? I don't think it's primary about money here. It's about to ask Wepl/slave coder and license properly from the Mini maker site. The decent thing would be to offer a bit money though (money or something else) Well, it's still enough time. Why should the community collect money for that? Sounds strange.

coldacid · 02 January 2022, 00:12

Because sometimes the legal system is the only way to get things fixed, especially when American businesses are involved. And it ain't cheap.

DisasterIncarna · 02 January 2022, 00:18

give an inch, and they take a mile, we have such sayings for a reason.

30 December 2021, 16:33	#1
spannernick Retro Nuts Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London/UK Age: 51 Posts: 1,153	Did Retro Games LTD Licence WHDLoad...? In a video they say they did, that means they payed to use it in a licenced product(well that only fair, it does not work without it), THEA500Mini, it licenced by Cloanto to use the Kickstart roms only(only 3 kickstarts A500, A600 and A1200) not the Amiga name...? Sorry had to ask...

01 January 2022, 22:17	#15
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 12,266	A German Amiga forum. Looks like spudje lost something in translation in their A500 mini thread (just had a quick read). It is as Wepl pointed out with post# 2, yet. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 01 January 2022 at 22:33.

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30 December 2021, 22:06	#2
Wepl Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 795	Currently there exists no license agreement to use WHDLoad or any installs created by me in any product of Retro Games LTD.

31 December 2021, 14:47	#6
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 40 Posts: 2,998	Not cool, seemed like they got everything sorted from the start but it seems not like now.. Still this product need whdload support, so I hope it will get sorted asap!

31 December 2021, 15:33	#7
Superman Registered User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 46 Posts: 1,148	Considering this is due for release in exactly 3 months time they haven't left much time to get this sorted correctly. I hope they don't just assume it ok and use it without the authors permission because that would be a big no no.

01 January 2022, 15:55	#8
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,030	It would also be interesting to know if they used WHDLoad versions of the games the Mini ships with, because they definitely haven’t approached the author of the Paradroid installer about licensing either.

01 January 2022, 17:04	#9
Torti-the-Smurf Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 458	They didnt even had the decency to ask Master Wepl ? ; and the Creators of the Slaves for the included games ? Retro Games Ltd. wants to make money with there work and didnt even ask ? WTF !! Who do they think they are ? If nothing changes, i will not buy any Retro Games Ltd product

01 January 2022, 20:46	#11
Matt_H Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 672	Before everyone starts flipping out about this, does the shipping product actually use WHDLoad? Or is it designed to be compatible with WHDLoad as a way of users adding their own games (i.e., users provide their own WHDLoad executable)?

01 January 2022, 21:55	#12
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,352	On A1k it has been confirmed WHDLoad has been properly licensed for the A500mini. So please don't claim anything that is not based on any facts.

01 January 2022, 21:57	#13
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 12,266	Since when? On December 30th Wepl confirmed that nobody licensed anything yet.

01 January 2022, 22:09	#14
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 50 Posts: 1,588	A1k ?

01 January 2022, 23:34	#18
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 12,266	Huh, a funding? I don't think it's primary about money here. It's about to ask Wepl/slave coder and license properly from the Mini maker site. The decent thing would be to offer a bit money though (money or something else) Well, it's still enough time. Why should the community collect money for that? Sounds strange.

02 January 2022, 00:12	#19
coldacid WinUAE 4000/40, V4SA Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Candinavia Posts: 474	Because sometimes the legal system is the only way to get things fixed, especially when American businesses are involved. And it ain't cheap.

02 January 2022, 00:18	#20
DisasterIncarna Registered User Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: England Posts: 151	give an inch, and they take a mile, we have such sayings for a reason.

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