06 September 2015, 09:05 | #1 |
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Cardiff, UK
Age: 51
Posts: 2,871
|
Amiga Forever, WHY?
I got this software from Cloanto years ago (well, 2012) because I thought it was the best and most stable way to emulate an Amiga for those who had had nothing but problems with WinUAE settings.
Now, I keep it only for the "Amiga Files/Shared" folder which contains the essential Kickstart ROMs, Workbench disks and .HDF files which contain WB installs. The rip-off of AF is that it forces you to use its own proprietary file formats, known as RP9s, on the version of WinUAE that is provided, which apparently limits the software to all versions of the emulator released that year. Lately, what with continuing instabilities and demos crashing right in the middle of playing and so forth, I consulted people to ask how many people use this software, and they said NONE. So I decided to seek out and download the latest version of WinUAE (one not tied to 2012) and simply drag over the Shared folder into its folder and tailor it to the host settings I wanted, and now I have a fully functional and absolutely stable Amiga emulation on my Windows desktop, and I have enjoyed reliving ALL my old demo faves that look better than ever and don't crash! Even some demos that I knew were buggy on WinUAE now work much better! Sure, there are the odd glitches, but I'd say WinUAE is now working at 99.9% at being a real Amiga! It's actually down to the Quickstart part of the emulator, which is hard-coded with the most usual Amiga configs across different systems, and which didn't always exist. I haven't had to tinker with the main emulator settings at all. Oh, sure, AF is fine for those who don't know anything about the Amiga at all, but someone like me who's owned an A500 and A1200 back in the day should know better! |
06 September 2015, 09:27 | #2 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Worksop/UK
Age: 59
Posts: 1,328
|
Just as a note. The RP9 files can be opened just like a zip with a archiver and the contents extracted, they usually contain a ADF image of the program/game in question along with screenshots and manuals.
|
06 September 2015, 11:56 | #3 | |
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Cardiff, UK
Age: 51
Posts: 2,871
|
Quote:
The point is that I was stuck with only 2012 versions of WinUAE with the AF I had, but WinUAE has improved massively since. |
|
06 September 2015, 13:16 | #4 | ||
Amiga 500 User
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: EU
Posts: 1,501
|
Quote:
p.s. If you find some demo works fine on a real amiga that gliches in winuae, please report even if there is a little glitch! (if a such demo exist anymore ) Cheers EDIT: Quote:
p.s. But to some extent I can understand the frustration you're experiencing with the older version while watching your faves demos. Last edited by amilo3438; 06 September 2015 at 19:39. |
||
06 September 2015, 14:28 | #5 | |
R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Leicester/UK
Age: 66
Posts: 3,968
|
Quote:
What a load of crap. |
|
06 September 2015, 19:11 | #6 |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 1,767
|
If AF was the gateway that got you to using WinUAE, and you have legal ROMs...
Sounds like it's all good. As others have pointed out, there isn't a proprietary format you can't get open. AF is great for what it does and the audience it has. If you are now beyond that, great for you. Doesn't say anything bad about AF tho... Be happy that AF was working for you and now WinUAE direct is .... Sounds like a win win.. ;-) desiv |
06 September 2015, 21:02 | #7 |
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Cardiff, UK
Age: 51
Posts: 2,871
|
|
06 September 2015, 21:40 | #8 |
R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Leicester/UK
Age: 66
Posts: 3,968
|
If you could point out some demo's & games that you have found not to work properly then I would like to test them on my AF2014 setup.
|
06 September 2015, 23:01 | #9 |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: ?
Posts: 19,644
|
Amiga Forever is a rip-off.
|
06 September 2015, 23:05 | #10 |
Amiga Collector
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Germany
Age: 41
Posts: 679
|
Amiga Forever provides the legal use of the Kickstart which otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to use. But all that would be only interesting if the owner of the Rights would care about them, which, i guess he doesn't.
|
06 September 2015, 23:26 | #11 |
R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Leicester/UK
Age: 66
Posts: 3,968
|
|
07 September 2015, 00:20 | #12 |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: ?
Posts: 19,644
|
|
07 September 2015, 00:47 | #13 |
Shameless recidivist
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Duluth, Minnesota (USA)
Age: 38
Posts: 260
|
But for those of us who don't give the tiniest of shits about restrictions on the use of firmware for computers whose manufacturer died the death over twenty years ago, there's always the option to just download them off the Internet like a sensible person.
|
07 September 2015, 01:18 | #14 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 1,767
|
Quote:
Or some might like the interface.. No one is saying AF is the only way anyone should enjoy Amiga emulation. Heck, the value edition is only $10.. It's a viable option for some people. Just as WinUAE and google is fine for others.. Can't we all just get along? desiv |
|
07 September 2015, 01:34 | #15 |
Shameless recidivist
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Duluth, Minnesota (USA)
Age: 38
Posts: 260
|
|
07 September 2015, 01:39 | #16 |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 1,767
|
|
07 September 2015, 10:04 | #17 | |
R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Leicester/UK
Age: 66
Posts: 3,968
|
Quote:
If you want to Pirate stuff that's your affair but don't class everyone that buys genuine as stupid. Not everyone knows what an Amiga is, does or did do. Any Emulator looks daunting to the first time user. Having a ready made solution to get started is a godsend to some. |
|
07 September 2015, 12:27 | #18 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: London
Posts: 20
|
I have had the honour of using several versions of Amiga Forever over the years, and have to admit the early versions were not the easiest to get on with. However, the latest 2014 Plus version has proved to be a real gem and I can happily run all my favourite game and productivity titles with ease and without a problem on the PC at work.
It's a pleasure to be able to demonstrate the power of DOpus, Arexx and even AmigaBasic on a Windows machine that lacks what we took for granted all those years ago. |
07 September 2015, 12:30 | #19 | |
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Cardiff, UK
Age: 51
Posts: 2,871
|
Quote:
I tried again with the very latest WinUAE when AF was uninstalled, with another ADF of the demo and it worked absolutely fine. Another demo I tried on AF was corrupting on-screen massively (can't remember the name of it) - I suspect these RP9s have been created without fully testing the source ADFs, somehow. Talk about a rip-off! |
|
07 September 2015, 14:10 | #20 |
Old retro god.
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Northolt, West London
Age: 62
Posts: 857
|
C'mon guys, lets not fall out over Rom usage, for those that brought AF, good on you but I prefer the Amiga Gamebase as my frontend and the latest beta, does that make me a horrible bad person, no, I'm just enjoying what is out there.
I did buy the C64 version long ago but I found it pointless in the end because it was limited, again I preferred the excellent Gamebase out there. My ideal situation would be to have the old hardware back but my bedroom has enough retro machines to annoy the wife. 2 Atari 8bits, with disk drive, an Xbox, a gamecube, a Snes with Wild card, a PS2 and lastly a Dreamcast, with a Xbox360 and PS4 in my daughters room. So come on, just enjoy the hard work Toni puts in with whatever front end or not you use. As for the roms, we could argue forever and in the end its all pointless. |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | |
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Amiga Forever and C64 Forever Live Video Meetup | mcb | News | 1 | 30 May 2009 19:09 |
What's up with Amiga Forever? | tempestf | Amiga scene | 7 | 24 July 2008 14:15 |
Amiga forever | sw2001 | Amiga scene | 15 | 13 September 2006 20:19 |
Amiga Forever | bugmenot | support.WinUAE | 10 | 07 March 2006 00:51 |
Amiga Forever | dreamkatcha | support.Hardware | 6 | 05 May 2002 20:03 |
|
|