Wolfenstein 3D on 68020 14 MHz - Page 3

BSzili · 23 February 2022, 06:42

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Originally Posted by Amigajay

Oh that’s a shame, is the speed the same without fastram too?

Obviously games like Gloom and Doom, even Catacombs improved with Akiko, do you foresee a workaround or is it just the way you are writing to the buffer that makes it too hard to use at the same time?

Of course, I tried it on a basic CD32 config without fast RAM. I have no idea why it wasn't faster, but I tried a few variations before setting on the current one. I don't intend to spend more time on this, but I'll leave if anyone wants to play with it later.

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Originally Posted by Superman

I have given this a quick test on my A1200 with TF1230 and it runs very nicely. Nice job!

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Thanks! Just keep in mind that demos are locked at about 17 fps, so I'm sure the actual gameplay will be much smoother than this at 50 MHz.

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Originally Posted by desiv

That reminds me, a while ago, I picked up a Graffiti board.
There wasn't much support for its C2P implementations, but some.
In some of my testing (which was ages ago using DoomAttack), I know that on my A1200, the "optimized C2P 020" driver ran faster than the Graffiti C2P driver.
(Note: I had my ACA1230/28 by then, so I had some extra CPU speed and FAST RAM)
Of course, that could mean just that the Graffiti driver I had just wasn't very good?
I wonder if it is similar to the reason Akiko C2P is about the same speed in your testing...

The graffiti would be difficult to utilize here as it turns the whole screen into chunky. In this port I used native bitmaps and bit templates for everything I could, so only the 3D view is in chunky.

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Originally Posted by Playaveli

Great work! Congrats on this project. Sound worked fine for me. Around 40-45 FPS.

* bugs:
- Controller won't turn right (keys worked fine)
- After I rebooted my Amiga (1200, Blizzard 1230 MKIV, 128 MB RAM) the game won't start anymore. Screen stays black.

Any ideas?

I'll look into the controller problem (this was mostly untested), but I have no clue about the black screen of death

BSzili · 23 February 2022, 08:42

I couldn't find anything wrong with the controller support, at least it works with the emulated 2 button controller in WinUAE.
On another note the first version of the AdLib support is done. For now you'll have to run the "convert-sounds" program manually, and then enable the "AdLib/Sound Blaster" options in the game's Sound options. Keep in mind that rendering the music takes forever at 14 MHz, so be prepared to leave your machine for a while to do its thing. It's a one time process though, so hang in there.

wairnair · 23 February 2022, 11:34

Great project! I'll give this a go in April when I get to my CD32 setup. It'll be perfect on the TF330, I also have a keyboard in case it'll be needed.

VincentGR · 23 February 2022, 20:55

030/50 smooooooth

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Ami · 23 February 2022, 21:36

At ~50% window size, it's playable on unexpanded A1200.

x-vision · 23 February 2022, 22:05

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Originally Posted by BSzili

Thanks. Yes, once I'm done I'll backport everything into Blake Stone.

And Doom? Quake?

BSzili · 23 February 2022, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Ami

At ~50% window size, it's playable on unexpanded A1200.

I guess you can do that, but I wonder how much fun is playing in a small window

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Originally Posted by x-vision

And Doom? Quake?

I don't think there's anything to be reused for Quake. For Doom maybe the scaler functions could be adapted, but the main source of speed there is using 16-bit math. It works here as the textures are 64x64 pixels and the screen is low resolution, but there's just not enough precision there for anything "more serious".

Amigajay · 24 February 2022, 12:08

Just tried the update, the music and sfx play ok even on stock machine, maybe my eyes playing tricks does seem a touch faster on the CD32, although i wiped over the old file to compare them side by side.

btw the strafe FWD/RWD buttons on the CD32 pad are the wrong way round.

Superman · 24 February 2022, 14:13

I just redownloaded it with an newer file dated yesterday. Now I’m getting the sound effects constantly repeating as if they are stuck on a loop. It also crashes sometimes when I die or it I try to start the game from demo mode. I have to reset the Amiga to get out of it.

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VincentGR · 24 February 2022, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Superman

I just redownloaded it with an newer file dated yesterday. Now I’m getting the sound effects constantly repeating as if they are stuck on a loop. It also crashes sometimes when I die and I have to reset the Amiga to get out of it.

Exactly, this also happens to me on the real thing (030/50)

BSzili · 24 February 2022, 17:56

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Originally Posted by Amigajay

Just tried the update, the music and sfx play ok even on stock machine, maybe my eyes playing tricks does seem a touch faster on the CD32, although i wiped over the old file to compare them side by side.

btw the strafe FWD/RWD buttons on the CD32 pad are the wrong way round.

It's possible that it's faster, I made a couple small tweaks since. For the forward and reverse buttons, you mean that their order is worng? If so I can swap them Reverse is button 4 and Forward is button 5.

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Originally Posted by Superman

I just redownloaded it with an newer file dated yesterday. Now I’m getting the sound effects constantly repeating as if they are stuck on a loop. It also crashes sometimes when I die or it I try to start the game from demo mode. I have to reset the Amiga to get out of it.

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Originally Posted by VincentGR

Exactly, this also happens to me on the real thing (030/50)

I have no clue what causes the sound effects to get stuck for you, I just tried it on a "fastest possible" WinUAE config, and it doesn't happen for me. I did clean up the sound code a bit since, so maybe I fixed this issue too. We'll see in the next version.

VincentGR · 24 February 2022, 19:16

Yes, that was the reason I used a mod and not the game's sound in my video :-)

BSzili · 24 February 2022, 20:22

I see, I had no idea that's why you didn't use the game's audio in your video. We'll see if the new test version is any better, if not I'll drop you a PM.
Speaking of the new version, I added a simple automap to the game, it can be opened with the F1 key. It used to be the "boss key" in the retail versions showing the fake DOS prompt. The existing save games are compatible, but the areas explored before this feature was added won't show up on the map.
I also adapted the patcher from Blake Stone, now the following versions of the game can be patched: Apogee 1.2, Apogee 1.4, Mindscape (id Software) 1.4. If you have any other version, let me know.

Amigajay · 24 February 2022, 20:36

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Originally Posted by BSzili

For the forward and reverse buttons, you mean that their order is worng? If so I can swap them Reverse is button 4 and Forward is button 5.

Yep, when you press the left shoulder button you strafe to the right and vice versa.

Superman · 24 February 2022, 20:39

Trying the updated version now. Looks like it may take a while to start though as I’m already 5 minutes or so in.

BSzili · 24 February 2022, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Amigajay

Yep, when you press the left shoulder button you strafe to the right and vice versa.

Huh, I didn't even know you can do that. I'll have a look at this.

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Originally Posted by Superman

Trying the updated version now. Looks like it may take a while to start though as I’m already 5 minutes or so in.

Yeah, that'll take a while. If you don't care about the music you can abort the conversion there, but I recommend deleting incomplete music files in that case.
I wonder if there's a faster OPL emulator out there, but so far MAME's synth looks to be the fastest.

Superman · 24 February 2022, 21:00

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Originally Posted by BSzili

Huh, I didn't even know you can do that. I'll have a look at this.

Yeah, that'll take a while. If you don't care about the music you can abort the conversion there, but I recommend deleting incomplete music files in that case.
I wonder if there's a faster OPL emulator out there, but so far MAME's synth looks to be the fastest.

I’m not sure how to abort it. It currently on music 3/26 and if I click the top left button it closes the window but a new one pops right up.

BSzili · 24 February 2022, 21:24

Just press CTRL-C and it should stop the program.

Superman · 24 February 2022, 21:39

Ok I managed to get it running but the sound issue and freezing is still happening to me on real hardware. Strange as I can run it ok on WinUAE.

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BSzili · 24 February 2022, 23:02

Do you use a different version of Kickstart/Workbench on your machine? Maybe try running it without startup-sequence after SetPatch.

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Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,334	I just redownloaded it with an newer file dated yesterday. Now I’m getting the sound effects constantly repeating as if they are stuck on a loop. It also crashes sometimes when I die or it I try to start the game from demo mode. I have to reset the Amiga to get out of it. [ Show youtube player ] [ Show youtube player ] Last edited by Superman; 24 February 2022 at 14:25.

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Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,334	Trying the updated version now. Looks like it may take a while to start though as I’m already 5 minutes or so in. Attached Thumbnails

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23 February 2022, 08:42	#42
BSzili old chunk of coal Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,289	I couldn't find anything wrong with the controller support, at least it works with the emulated 2 button controller in WinUAE. On another note the first version of the AdLib support is done. For now you'll have to run the "convert-sounds" program manually, and then enable the "AdLib/Sound Blaster" options in the game's Sound options. Keep in mind that rendering the music takes forever at 14 MHz, so be prepared to leave your machine for a while to do its thing. It's a one time process though, so hang in there.

23 February 2022, 11:34	#43
wairnair Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Budapest Posts: 355	Great project! I'll give this a go in April when I get to my CD32 setup. It'll be perfect on the TF330, I also have a keyboard in case it'll be needed.

23 February 2022, 20:55	#44
VincentGR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Greece Posts: 289	030/50 smooooooth [ Show youtube player ]

23 February 2022, 21:36	#45
Ami Registered User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Poland Posts: 175	At ~50% window size, it's playable on unexpanded A1200.

24 February 2022, 12:08	#48
Amigajay Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: > Posts: 2,884	Just tried the update, the music and sfx play ok even on stock machine, maybe my eyes playing tricks does seem a touch faster on the CD32, although i wiped over the old file to compare them side by side. btw the strafe FWD/RWD buttons on the CD32 pad are the wrong way round.

24 February 2022, 19:16	#52
VincentGR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Greece Posts: 289	Yes, that was the reason I used a mod and not the game's sound in my video :-)

24 February 2022, 20:22	#53
BSzili old chunk of coal Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,289	I see, I had no idea that's why you didn't use the game's audio in your video. We'll see if the new test version is any better, if not I'll drop you a PM. Speaking of the new version, I added a simple automap to the game, it can be opened with the F1 key. It used to be the "boss key" in the retail versions showing the fake DOS prompt. The existing save games are compatible, but the areas explored before this feature was added won't show up on the map. I also adapted the patcher from Blake Stone, now the following versions of the game can be patched: Apogee 1.2, Apogee 1.4, Mindscape (id Software) 1.4. If you have any other version, let me know.

24 February 2022, 21:24	#58
BSzili old chunk of coal Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,289	Just press CTRL-C and it should stop the program.

24 February 2022, 21:39	#59
Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,334	Ok I managed to get it running but the sound issue and freezing is still happening to me on real hardware. Strange as I can run it ok on WinUAE. [ Show youtube player ]

24 February 2022, 23:02	#60
BSzili old chunk of coal Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 1,289	Do you use a different version of Kickstart/Workbench on your machine? Maybe try running it without startup-sequence after SetPatch.

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