Rawread ^^

dlfrsilver · 28 March 2006, 02:01

Hello Toni,

I would like to know if you can raise the amount of data readable
by rawread.

While my drive can run Ziriax and read the long tracks, i can't read all the datas hence the extended adf is not working when loading the level.

thank you ^^

Toni Wilen · 28 March 2006, 12:50

Rawread simply isn't 100% reliable, it just blindly reads and saves the data.

dlfrsilver · 28 March 2006, 14:16

some tracks are 13152 kb, and rawread can image games with 12153 kb.

just pushing the size of data dump.

Toni Wilen · 28 March 2006, 14:47

Hmm.. about 12k is normal length of track. What does rawread exactly say? Longtracks should work fine (except if there are something more than simple longtracks)

dlfrsilver · 28 March 2006, 20:34

the tool can't image tracks with a size superior to 13k which is required on some games.

or they just don't work when imaged.

Toni Wilen · 28 March 2006, 20:42

Why do you think long track imaging won't work? I have confirmed it working ages ago. (max limit is 15k or so but 13k is about the max Amiga floppy controller can read [I mean the density of data in single track gets too big for the controller to handle])

Your disk most likely have something else than simple long tracks. Can't really help without having the disk, sorry.

ADDED: rawread was made for imaging custom formatted save disks and 720k msdos formatted disks, imaging of _some_ copy protected disks is only an "accidental" extra feature.

dlfrsilver · 19 August 2006, 18:48

i have now a cyclone cartridge on my extern port, and i have been able
to successfully dump my Original of NINJA REMIX which remember has ST tracks !!!! Now enjoy !!!

i'll do some others soon ^^

the game can be installed thru WHDLOAD, test it ^^ the game is in the zone.

Retro-Nerd · 19 August 2006, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

i have now a cyclone cartridge on my extern port, and i have been able
to successfully dump my Original of NINJA REMIX which remember has ST tracks !!!! Now enjoy !!!

i'll do some others soon ^^

the game can be installed thru WHDLOAD, test it ^^ the game is in the zone.

Wow!! Many thanks for the original, Denis.

Do you have a list which game versions you've dumped so far, for all your extended adf releases?

musashi5150 · 19 August 2006, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

i have now a cyclone cartridge on my extern port, and i have been able to successfully dump my Original of NINJA REMIX

What are you using the Cyclone for? Is there another piece of software that uses it as well as Cyclone in the X-Copy package?

Retro-Nerd · 19 August 2006, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by musashi5150

What are you using the Cyclone for? Is there another piece of software that uses it as well as Cyclone in the X-Copy package?

Back in time i've used Siegfried Copy with a cyclone dongle. I've tested it only on a few games, as example for Jungle strike which worked well. It's still lying here in my old Amiga diskbox.

dlfrsilver · 19 August 2006, 22:43

well, the games dumped are in the zone.

I don't understand why i can't still image Leavin' teramis, chambers of shaolin and so on from thalion.....

i don't have a clue about thalion protection....

Retro-Nerd · 19 August 2006, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

well, the games dumped are in the zone.

I don't understand why i can't still image Leavin' teramis, chambers of shaolin and so on from thalion.....

i don't have a clue about thalion protection....

But you've already dumped Chambers of Shaolin!!

Edit: The WHDLoad install gives me checksum errors. But the image works with a Kickstart 2.x or 3.x in WinUAE.

dlfrsilver · 20 August 2006, 00:59

my disk are maybe in bad shap.

chambers of shaolin does shitty drive sound on protection reading.

berkkk !!

Retro-Nerd · 20 August 2006, 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

my disk are maybe in bad shap.

chambers of shaolin does shitty drive sound on protection reading.

berkkk !!

Maybe, Denis. Leavin' Teramis crashes right before ingame. But all other dumpes seems to be ok. I still have to test your today uploads.

Edit: All games from today work fine.

Retro-Nerd · 23 August 2006, 20:04

Yes, the new Chamber of Shaolin dump works awesome, now with a standard A500 config. Many thanks again, Denis.

Supamax · 18 December 2008, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

i have now a cyclone cartridge on my extern port, and i have been able
to successfully dump my Original of NINJA REMIX which remember has ST tracks !!!! Now enjoy !!!

i'll do some others soon ^^

the game can be installed thru WHDLOAD, test it ^^ the game is in the zone.

Hi dlfrsilver,
I don't understand: you managed to copy your original with Cyclone. I suppose you obtained another disk which is a copy of the original.
How did you dump it???

I mean: is there some utilities (which I don't know of) which "stores" the copy in a file (instead of writing on the external disk)?
Have you a list of your dumped originals?

Massimo

dlfrsilver · 18 December 2008, 23:29

Yes most of my amiga games protected with atari st protection tracks :

Crazy cars III
Super Cauldron
Lethal Xcess
Wings of Death
Stone Age
Last ninja remix

to name the most famous

Supamax · 18 December 2008, 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Rawread simply isn't 100% reliable, it just blindly reads and saves the data.

Hi Toni!

So isn't there a way to "reliably" raw dump a whole disk?
I mean: reliably=sure that all tracks are dumped well (especially those which are accessed after some hours gaming).

In other words: how can I know if the dump has errors on tracks xx/yy etc. other than playing all the game till the end?

Thanks a lot and compliments for your work!

Massimo

Redwood · 19 December 2008, 00:08

@Supamax
I don't think there is a way to be sure that a rawread dump has been 100% successful. I've had the experience of having one dump fail to work under WinUAE and another dump from the same disk (made using the same A600 with the same floppy drive) work successfully.

Supamax · 19 December 2008, 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redwood

@Supamax
I don't think there is a way to be sure that a rawread dump has been 100% successful. I've had the experience of having one dump fail to work under WinUAE and another dump from the same disk (made using the same A600 with the same floppy drive) work successfully.

Hi Redwood,
yes, I had the same experience. Ok then, perhaps the solution is the trial&error method = redump until it works

Massimo

28 March 2006, 02:01	#1
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,514	Rawread ^^ Hello Toni, I would like to know if you can raise the amount of data readable by rawread. While my drive can run Ziriax and read the long tracks, i can't read all the datas hence the extended adf is not working when loading the level. thank you ^^

28 March 2006, 20:42	#6
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,574	Why do you think long track imaging won't work? I have confirmed it working ages ago. (max limit is 15k or so but 13k is about the max Amiga floppy controller can read [I mean the density of data in single track gets too big for the controller to handle]) Your disk most likely have something else than simple long tracks. Can't really help without having the disk, sorry. ADDED: rawread was made for imaging custom formatted save disks and 720k msdos formatted disks, imaging of _some_ copy protected disks is only an "accidental" extra feature. Last edited by Toni Wilen; 28 March 2006 at 20:50.

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28 March 2006, 12:50	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,574	Rawread simply isn't 100% reliable, it just blindly reads and saves the data.

28 March 2006, 14:16	#3
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,514	some tracks are 13152 kb, and rawread can image games with 12153 kb. just pushing the size of data dump.

28 March 2006, 14:47	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,574	Hmm.. about 12k is normal length of track. What does rawread exactly say? Longtracks should work fine (except if there are something more than simple longtracks)

28 March 2006, 20:34	#5
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,514	the tool can't image tracks with a size superior to 13k which is required on some games. or they just don't work when imaged.

19 August 2006, 18:48	#7
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,514	i have now a cyclone cartridge on my extern port, and i have been able to successfully dump my Original of NINJA REMIX which remember has ST tracks !!!! Now enjoy !!! i'll do some others soon ^^ the game can be installed thru WHDLOAD, test it ^^ the game is in the zone.

19 August 2006, 22:43	#11
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,514	well, the games dumped are in the zone. I don't understand why i can't still image Leavin' teramis, chambers of shaolin and so on from thalion..... i don't have a clue about thalion protection....

20 August 2006, 00:59	#13
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,514	my disk are maybe in bad shap. chambers of shaolin does shitty drive sound on protection reading. berkkk !!

23 August 2006, 20:04	#15
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,467	Yes, the new Chamber of Shaolin dump works awesome, now with a standard A500 config. Many thanks again, Denis.

18 December 2008, 23:29	#17
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,514	Yes most of my amiga games protected with atari st protection tracks : Crazy cars III Super Cauldron Lethal Xcess Wings of Death Stone Age Last ninja remix to name the most famous

19 December 2008, 00:08	#19
Redwood Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sydney / Australia Posts: 83	@Supamax I don't think there is a way to be sure that a rawread dump has been 100% successful. I've had the experience of having one dump fail to work under WinUAE and another dump from the same disk (made using the same A600 with the same floppy drive) work successfully.

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