Joypad (2 button) support thread

wXR · 19 August 2016, 06:13

Hi guys,

I'm noticing a leaning towards joypad/2 button support in slaves now; can we start listing here slaves which would really benefit from 2+ button support? And while we're on the subject, is it possible to support *more than* two buttons with a joypad on an Amiga?

Solo Kazuki · 19 August 2016, 07:12

Hello

Yes, it's possible to support up to 7 buttons via CD32 joypad (or compatible). Thread about games with 2+ button support is here.

wXR · 20 August 2016, 03:24

Ah cheers, but FYI I meant this to be a WHDLoad-specific thread, i.e. requests/suggestions for joypad enhancements to slaves. Maybe they shold be merged, nto sure.

Shatterhand · 22 August 2016, 18:47

You know what would be really cool? 3 button support. Not for CD32 controllers, but for specifically built 3-button controllers. The hardware can support, but you'd have to build the controller yourself.

But I guess not many people would be interested.

I was playing Shadow Dancer 2 days ago, and I was thinking how it would benefit for having a jump button... then I was going to keyboard to use the ninja magic, and I was like "it would be good to have a button to use the magic".

That game would be a lot more enjoyable (and a freaking amazing port) if you could actually play it using 3 buttons.

It seems some games actually do support 3 buttons ... but like I said, I'd guess not many people would care about it.

I could easliy list games that would benefit from 2 button support (also 3 button

), and I'd even like to help, but I have no idea of how to do it.

Solo Kazuki · 22 August 2016, 20:52

It is possible to have 3 buttons, but i don't know any game which support 3 buttons, only 2 or CD32 joypad. Even WHDLoad team don't bother with 3 buttons support, if is needed 3 buttons then is CD32 joypad support added.

Shatterhand · 22 August 2016, 21:42

Yeah, it's a shame.

idrougge · 22 August 2016, 21:46

Flashback supports three buttons.

Solo Kazuki · 23 August 2016, 02:07

Flashback support only 2 buttons (except newest slave with CD32 joypad support). You can choose in options 2 buttons control, there's no 3 buttons setting. Playable with megadrive pad with 3 buttons, but only buttons B and C are used.

idrougge · 23 August 2016, 07:19

There's a readme file on the floppy telling you how to activate the third button.

Solo Kazuki · 23 August 2016, 13:22

Did you see that readme?

Sure, there's read.me (!) file on 1st disk. It says:

Code:

FLASHBACK version 1.0 (22/4/93) English
     ---------------------------------------

     END...

Sorry, but it's only myth... unless You have some unknown enhanced version...

Retro1234 · 23 August 2016, 13:31

its not a myth.

Solo Kazuki · 23 August 2016, 13:34

So, any proof?

Retro1234 · 23 August 2016, 13:37

Use the search feature on eab? also Hired Guns and ADoom - the readme is probably on the original flashback i.e ipf.

its probably possibe under winuae isnt it?

Solo Kazuki · 23 August 2016, 13:38

I have original (IPF), there's nothing more in read.me.

Someone check this?

Retro-Nerd · 23 August 2016, 13:45

The German manual says that the PC version supports all 4-buttons of the Gravis joypad. You can use the MD pad though for the Amiga version but only 2-buttons are officially supported. For more you need a hardware mod iirc.

idrougge · 23 August 2016, 13:46

Check the lisez-moi instead.

Solo Kazuki · 23 August 2016, 13:51

Actually it's still read.me in french version. It says something about modification but, again, did somebody check this?

Edit: Don't get me wrong. There are some games (mentioned Flashback, Hired Guns and ADoom), which should work with modified MD joypad. But unless it's confirmed, for me it's like unfinished proof of concept.

Edit 2: Just checked Flashback on WinUAE with "gamepad" setting (3 buttons). Cannot made 3rd button to work, used 2 button setting (there's still no 3/4 button option).

Edit 3: Also checked Hired Guns and... well... it doesn't support even 2 buttons (choose 4 players, 2 joys and 2 keyboards). One button and no more. Fire + up for shoot, fire + down for reload, fire + sides for changing menu options.

So is there anyone who can confirm that it works? Because for me it's still myth... sorry.

idrougge · 23 August 2016, 15:24

I think there's a keyboard combination to press in order to active the three-button mode.

Solo Kazuki · 23 August 2016, 15:34

What combination?

Sorry for asking, but are You really believe that in Flashback and Hired Guns are some well hidden control combinations/options not available in menus?

Edit: I really would be very happy, if this works. But for me it sounds like some conspiracy theory that authors hide some useful control options for player.

idrougge · 23 August 2016, 16:15

For you my friend:

Quote:

Joystick à 4 boutons (de type Megadrive, modifié selon
-------------------- le schéma de la notice)

ATTENTION: Ce type de joystick n'est pas reconnu sur les A600 et
les A1200.

Ce type de joystick ne peut être sélectionné que pendant le jeu.
Remarquez qu'il faut prendre soin d'avoir branché le joystick avant
de sélectionner cette option.

Selon les machines, l'option joystick 4 boutons s'active en pressant :

- A500, A500+, A2000 touches <CTRL> + 4
- A3000 touches <CTRL> + 5

Dans le jeu:

Le bouton A sert de touche ACTION
Le bouton B sert de touche UTILISER
Le bouton C sert de touche ARME
(dégainer/rengainer le pistolet)
Le bouton Start sert à appeler l'INVENTAIRE

Une fois modifié, ce joystick à 4 boutons ne sera plus utilisable
sur votre console. Si vous voulez éviter ce désagrément, vous pouvez
réaliser le petit adaptateur suivant :

Matériel nécessaire :

- 1 prise mâle 9 broches (type DB-9)
- 1 prise femelle 9 broches (type DB-9)
- un câble à 9 fils (environ 20 cm)

Schéma :

Code:

                Prise DB-9 Mâle                   Prise DB-9 Femelle	


                     -                                -
                    |  \                             |  \
                    |   \                            |   \
                1   | .  \---------------------------| o  \   1
                    |     \                          |     \ 
                  6 |    . --           ,------------|    o     6
                    |      | \         /             |      |  
                2   | .    |--\-------/--------------| o    | 2
                    |      |   \     /               |      |  
                  7 |    . |----\---'  ,-------------|    o |   7
                    |      |     \    /              |      |  
     ==>        3   | .    |------\--/---------------| o    | 3         ==>  
                    |      |       \/                |      |  
  Joystick        8 |    . |-------/\----------------|    o |   8      Port 
 4  boutons         |      |      /  \               |      |        Joystick
                4   | .    |-----/----\--------------| o    | 4       AMIGA
                    |      |    /      \             |      |  
                  9 |    . ----/--------\------------|    o     9
                    |     /   /          \           |     /
                5   | .  /---'            \----------| o  /   5
                    |   /                            |   /    
                    |  /                             |  /
                     -                                -       


	Cela revient donc à relier chacune des broches de la prise mâle
	à leur homologue de la prise femelle, sauf la 5 qui va à la 7,
	la 6 qui va à la 5 et enfin la 7 à la 6.

19 August 2016, 06:13	#1
wXR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New York Posts: 552	Joypad (2 button) support thread Hi guys, I'm noticing a leaning towards joypad/2 button support in slaves now; can we start listing here slaves which would really benefit from 2+ button support? And while we're on the subject, is it possible to support more than two buttons with a joypad on an Amiga?

23 August 2016, 13:22	#10
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	Did you see that readme? Sure, there's read.me (!) file on 1st disk. It says: Code: FLASHBACK version 1.0 (22/4/93) English --------------------------------------- END... Sorry, but it's only myth... unless You have some unknown enhanced version...

23 August 2016, 13:51	#17
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	Actually it's still read.me in french version. It says something about modification but, again, did somebody check this? Edit: Don't get me wrong. There are some games (mentioned Flashback, Hired Guns and ADoom), which should work with modified MD joypad. But unless it's confirmed, for me it's like unfinished proof of concept. Edit 2: Just checked Flashback on WinUAE with "gamepad" setting (3 buttons). Cannot made 3rd button to work, used 2 button setting (there's still no 3/4 button option). Edit 3: Also checked Hired Guns and... well... it doesn't support even 2 buttons (choose 4 players, 2 joys and 2 keyboards). One button and no more. Fire + up for shoot, fire + down for reload, fire + sides for changing menu options. So is there anyone who can confirm that it works? Because for me it's still myth... sorry. Last edited by Solo Kazuki; 23 August 2016 at 15:13.

23 August 2016, 15:34	#19
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	What combination? Sorry for asking, but are You really believe that in Flashback and Hired Guns are some well hidden control combinations/options not available in menus? Edit: I really would be very happy, if this works. But for me it sounds like some conspiracy theory that authors hide some useful control options for player. Last edited by Solo Kazuki; 23 August 2016 at 16:00.

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19 August 2016, 07:12	#2
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	Hello Yes, it's possible to support up to 7 buttons via CD32 joypad (or compatible). Thread about games with 2+ button support is here.

20 August 2016, 03:24	#3
wXR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New York Posts: 552	Ah cheers, but FYI I meant this to be a WHDLoad-specific thread, i.e. requests/suggestions for joypad enhancements to slaves. Maybe they shold be merged, nto sure.

22 August 2016, 18:47	#4
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	You know what would be really cool? 3 button support. Not for CD32 controllers, but for specifically built 3-button controllers. The hardware can support, but you'd have to build the controller yourself. But I guess not many people would be interested. I was playing Shadow Dancer 2 days ago, and I was thinking how it would benefit for having a jump button... then I was going to keyboard to use the ninja magic, and I was like "it would be good to have a button to use the magic". That game would be a lot more enjoyable (and a freaking amazing port) if you could actually play it using 3 buttons. It seems some games actually do support 3 buttons ... but like I said, I'd guess not many people would care about it. I could easliy list games that would benefit from 2 button support (also 3 button ), and I'd even like to help, but I have no idea of how to do it.

22 August 2016, 20:52	#5
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	It is possible to have 3 buttons, but i don't know any game which support 3 buttons, only 2 or CD32 joypad. Even WHDLoad team don't bother with 3 buttons support, if is needed 3 buttons then is CD32 joypad support added.

22 August 2016, 21:42	#6
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Yeah, it's a shame.

22 August 2016, 21:46	#7
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,332	Flashback supports three buttons.

23 August 2016, 02:07	#8
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	Flashback support only 2 buttons (except newest slave with CD32 joypad support). You can choose in options 2 buttons control, there's no 3 buttons setting. Playable with megadrive pad with 3 buttons, but only buttons B and C are used.

23 August 2016, 07:19	#9
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,332	There's a readme file on the floppy telling you how to activate the third button.

23 August 2016, 13:31	#11
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	its not a myth.

23 August 2016, 13:34	#12
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	So, any proof?

23 August 2016, 13:37	#13
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Use the search feature on eab? also Hired Guns and ADoom - the readme is probably on the original flashback i.e ipf. its probably possibe under winuae isnt it?

23 August 2016, 13:38	#14
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,301	I have original (IPF), there's nothing more in read.me. Someone check this?

23 August 2016, 13:45	#15
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	The German manual says that the PC version supports all 4-buttons of the Gravis joypad. You can use the MD pad though for the Amiga version but only 2-buttons are officially supported. For more you need a hardware mod iirc.

23 August 2016, 13:46	#16
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,332	Check the lisez-moi instead.

23 August 2016, 15:24	#18
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,332	I think there's a keyboard combination to press in order to active the three-button mode.

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