What is the opposite of frameskip called? :)

Photon · 31 October 2014, 21:16

I am aware this might fit better for another forum, on the other hand frameskip is an emulator term and I thought Toni or Froede might come up with a name.

This term then would stand for the showing of 50 fps on the very common 60 Hz PC monitors, where a frame stays on-screen for two frames every so often. So it's the opposite of frame skip. What should it be called?

(Danish users, don't any naughty ideas...

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prowler · 31 October 2014, 22:03

If there really isn't already such a term for this, then here's my suggestion:

framepad(ding)

jimbob · 31 October 2014, 22:25

Frame stutter, no?

s2325 · 31 October 2014, 22:32

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jimmy2x2x · 31 October 2014, 22:54

It was running very smooth then framelocked for 2 frames when the explosion triggered.

Photon · 31 October 2014, 23:42

Some good suggestions so far...

Well, better than my "frame snag" (compare sock catching on a nail in the wooden floor, part of sock stays behind briefly).

Frame stretch is another crappy one I thought up now...

Michael Sykes · 01 November 2014, 00:10

frame interpolation... maybe?

kamelito · 01 November 2014, 10:46

Rewind

Leandro Jardim · 01 November 2014, 10:56

Frame-delay?

A good one is "strobe".

Shoonay · 01 November 2014, 11:01

Frame buffering?

alkis · 01 November 2014, 11:28

quantum-frame?

You know a perfectly good frame landing on two frames at the "same time"

IFW · 01 November 2014, 12:57

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_image_formats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#2:3_pulldown

Photon · 01 November 2014, 13:07

IFW: which of all those words are you suggesting?

Judder is british for "shudder,wobble" and the "pulldown" term is for displaying NTSC video on PAL devices (so again, the opposite)!
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OK, I've been looking for terms. You'd think you'd find this complaint mentioned is Windows gaming communities, but I guess subpar framerate has been accepted there a long time. There's "low fps", but of course that's untrue for the Amiga as it outputs a constant 50.

Frame stutter has been mentioned on game forums. But that has to do with a purely rendering-fps scenario and means framerate going up and down randomly. Here, frame hitch is also mentioned, so that should be avoided.

Jope mentioned doubled frames on IRC. But frame doubling for video means doubling the constant framerate. "Occasionally doubled frames". "Occasional but regularly recurring framerate conversion frame doubling." Just rrrrrrolls off the tongue, doesn't it?

Frame stagger, maybe. Or framerate conversion stagger. But that's not quite right either.

I like frame doubling or frame padding best so far because they say what happens.

Michael Sykes · 01 November 2014, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by IFW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_image_formats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#2:3_pulldown

That would cause a lot of stuttering.
I think I wouldn't like it in my beloved WinUAE.
Just think about scrolltexts or just a slimple sidescrolling plattformer/shoot em up.

But from a technical point of view that was imho the best answer so far.

Hewitson · 01 November 2014, 13:32

Panasonic refer to it as "Intelligent Frame Creation". I don't think that's a bad name to use, assuming it's not copyrighted.

Photon · 01 November 2014, 16:07

Ha ha ha

That's one way of describing a stuttering framerate :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Sykes

That would cause a lot of stuttering.
I think I wouldn't like it in my beloved WinUAE.
Just think about scrolltexts or just a slimple sidescrolling plattformer/shoot em up.

But from a technical point of view that was imho the best answer so far.

Umm...no

For the technical reasons posted by me. Hehe. Well, not name-wise, anyway. The names don't mean what we refer to here.

Michael Sykes · 01 November 2014, 18:32

I was still reading wiki while you posted that.
Think I got what you mean.So how about frame bloat or even better frame blast?
Or Frameburst!

31 October 2014, 21:16	#1
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,695	What is the opposite of frameskip called? :) I am aware this might fit better for another forum, on the other hand frameskip is an emulator term and I thought Toni or Froede might come up with a name. This term then would stand for the showing of 50 fps on the very common 60 Hz PC monitors, where a frame stays on-screen for two frames every so often. So it's the opposite of frame skip. What should it be called? (Danish users, don't any naughty ideas... )

01 November 2014, 10:56	#9
Leandro Jardim Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Legoland Age: 45 Posts: 1,461	Frame-delay? A good one is "strobe". Last edited by Leandro Jardim; 01 November 2014 at 12:44.

01 November 2014, 13:07	#13
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,695	IFW: which of all those words are you suggesting? Judder is british for "shudder,wobble" and the "pulldown" term is for displaying NTSC video on PAL devices (so again, the opposite)! -----------------------~---------------------- OK, I've been looking for terms. You'd think you'd find this complaint mentioned is Windows gaming communities, but I guess subpar framerate has been accepted there a long time. There's "low fps", but of course that's untrue for the Amiga as it outputs a constant 50. Frame stutter has been mentioned on game forums. But that has to do with a purely rendering-fps scenario and means framerate going up and down randomly. Here, frame hitch is also mentioned, so that should be avoided. Jope mentioned doubled frames on IRC. But frame doubling for video means doubling the constant framerate. "Occasionally doubled frames". "Occasional but regularly recurring framerate conversion frame doubling." Just rrrrrrolls off the tongue, doesn't it? Frame stagger, maybe. Or framerate conversion stagger. But that's not quite right either. I like frame doubling or frame padding best so far because they say what happens. Last edited by Photon; 01 November 2014 at 13:14.

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31 October 2014, 22:03	#2
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	If there really isn't already such a term for this, then here's my suggestion: framepad(ding)

31 October 2014, 22:25	#3
jimbob Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kilmacolm Age: 46 Posts: 632	Frame stutter, no?

31 October 2014, 22:32	#4
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 44 Posts: 17,789	klatkotwór sześćdzięsięciohercowy have fun

31 October 2014, 22:54	#5
jimmy2x2x Beyond Mutton Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: North West, UK Age: 52 Posts: 347	It was running very smooth then framelocked for 2 frames when the explosion triggered.

31 October 2014, 23:42	#6
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,695	Some good suggestions so far... Well, better than my "frame snag" (compare sock catching on a nail in the wooden floor, part of sock stays behind briefly). Frame stretch is another crappy one I thought up now...

01 November 2014, 00:10	#7
Michael Sykes WinUAE end user Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Bremen Age: 45 Posts: 649	frame interpolation... maybe?

01 November 2014, 10:46	#8
kamelito Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 1,863	Rewind

01 November 2014, 11:01	#10
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,108	Frame buffering?

01 November 2014, 11:28	#11
alkis Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 53 Posts: 725	quantum-frame? You know a perfectly good frame landing on two frames at the "same time"

01 November 2014, 12:57	#12
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_image_formats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#2:3_pulldown

01 November 2014, 13:32	#15
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,773	Panasonic refer to it as "Intelligent Frame Creation". I don't think that's a bad name to use, assuming it's not copyrighted.

01 November 2014, 18:32	#17
Michael Sykes WinUAE end user Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Bremen Age: 45 Posts: 649	I was still reading wiki while you posted that. Think I got what you mean.So how about frame bloat or even better frame blast? Or Frameburst!

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