Pinball Dreams (NTSC Version)

tpgb12 · 12 August 2018, 07:21

Hello, all. Hopefully this is the right place to post this. I own an NTSC copy of Pinball Dreams for the Amiga. It's probably a very late NTSC release for the platform, with the two disks having a copyright year of 1994. Unlike the PAL one on an NTSC machine, this one doesn't cut off the image and plays most of the music at the proper speed. Both disks work fine for the most part, though for whatever reason the Nightmare table wouldn't load on last time I tried. The other tables loaded fine. I would like there to be a dump of this version, since there doesn't seem to be one anywhere. The only Amiga I have is an NTSC A500 with Kickstart 1.2, and I transfer files using a null-modem cable. Is there any way I could dump the disks at all with the hardware I have? I tried using Amiga Explorer and X-Copy Pro, but neither worked. Anything would be much appreciated. Thanks.

dlfrsilver · 12 August 2018, 09:28

The problem is that this game use an MFM disk format, and is also copy protected if my memory do not fail me.

You need an A1200 or a kryoflux board to image the disk on a PC.

Retro1234 · 12 August 2018, 09:48

Is there an existing ipf of the NTSC version?if so you don't need to dump it.
Some times US versions had different copy protection or just manual protection.

tpgb12 · 12 August 2018, 22:21

I wasn't able to find an IPF, no.

TjLaZer · 13 August 2018, 00:11

There is a Disk to allow you to make an IPF of it. But you need OS 3.0 and 020+ and fast ram I think. You can get an ACA500+ for your A500 and 030 card and have a nice system that can do this and also run WHDLoad games...

whiteb · 13 August 2018, 01:00

The thing is, if you use the disk to make an IPF, would it be supported by WHDLOAD ?

Retroplay · 13 August 2018, 01:20

You mean KryoFlux free dumping tool ?
https://www.kryoflux.com/?page=download
It doesn't make an IPF, it creates a RAW image which then can be turned into an IPF (if the dump is error free that is).

NTSC version is supported in WHDLoad.
http://www.whdload.de/games/PinballDreams.html

Quote:

Version 1.3
- NTSC version now supported

Retro1234 · 13 August 2018, 02:04

Does anyone have a install of the WHDload NTSC version if not it looks like the author is Galahad and maybe he can say what copy protection the NTSC version has?

Off-Topic can the Raw images be used in Winuae or Kyroflux or they have to be sent to the sps team to be turned into IPFs?

Galahad/FLT · 13 August 2018, 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Does anyone have a install of the WHDload NTSC version if not it looks like the author is Galahad and maybe he can say what copy protection the NTSC version has?

Off-putting can the Raw images be used in Winuae or Kyroflux or they have to be sent to the sps team to be turned into IPFs?

Exactly the same as the PAL version, MFM protected.

tpgb12 · 14 August 2018, 22:30

Shame it's not as easy as I'd like it to be...

But about that ACA500+ TjLaZer mentioned, damn that looks like it'd be pretty sweet to have sometime. I'll have to look into it.

dlfrsilver · 14 August 2018, 23:45

If you do, please dump then your disks, i will check them

TjLaZer · 15 August 2018, 03:17

Where in the US are you? Maybe an Amiga user near you that has the hardware can assist you to make a backup or WHDLoad install...

TjLaZer · 16 November 2018, 05:22

Pinball Dreams NTSC in the zone! RAW Dump of disks with Kryoflux tonight as well!

tpgb12 · 16 November 2018, 16:46

Awesome! Hopefully someday if I get the right equipment I can repair my Disk 2.

desiv · 16 November 2018, 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpgb12

Awesome! Hopefully someday if I get the right equipment I can repair my Disk 2.

Where are you at?
I've fixed a few disks with my kryoflux.

dlfrsilver · 16 November 2018, 21:32

I check the dump

Disk 1 is OK, i have an IPF, however, Disk 2 has :

1) track 16.0 is bad, need a redump.

2) track 78.1 is modified due to highscore saving. Can be changed if you dump the disk in kryoflux heavy format (KFRAW), the untouched highscores tracks can be added from the euro release.

TjLaZer · 17 November 2018, 01:57

Hmmm. I noticed when I installed it in WHDLoad one file came up as 0. Maybe this is why. I tried to image it on multiple computers as I had an issue with it even starting on my 1200. Ripped it on my 4000 and it loads and runs fine. All 4 maps.

TjLaZer · 17 November 2018, 09:38

ok tried disk 2 again, but I think the A1200 I used it on might have a bad drive. Kryoflux disk would not run on my A4000 GVP 4060.

dlfrsilver · 17 November 2018, 16:50

hi TJ, i checked your new disk 2 dump. Track 16 is always a problem, i can't decode it correctly.

I would need a kryoflux dump of a original disk 2, and a kryoflux dump (KFraw) from your own disk 2 to make an unmodified version NTSC of Pinball Dreams.

TjLaZer · 17 November 2018, 22:59

ok my disk must be bad. The game seems to work fine on WHDLoad though. Hopefully someone else can dump their disk 2.

12 August 2018, 07:21	#1
tpgb12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: United States Posts: 52	Pinball Dreams (NTSC Version) Hello, all. Hopefully this is the right place to post this. I own an NTSC copy of Pinball Dreams for the Amiga. It's probably a very late NTSC release for the platform, with the two disks having a copyright year of 1994. Unlike the PAL one on an NTSC machine, this one doesn't cut off the image and plays most of the music at the proper speed. Both disks work fine for the most part, though for whatever reason the Nightmare table wouldn't load on last time I tried. The other tables loaded fine. I would like there to be a dump of this version, since there doesn't seem to be one anywhere. The only Amiga I have is an NTSC A500 with Kickstart 1.2, and I transfer files using a null-modem cable. Is there any way I could dump the disks at all with the hardware I have? I tried using Amiga Explorer and X-Copy Pro, but neither worked. Anything would be much appreciated. Thanks.

13 August 2018, 02:04	#8
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Does anyone have a install of the WHDload NTSC version if not it looks like the author is Galahad and maybe he can say what copy protection the NTSC version has? Off-Topic can the Raw images be used in Winuae or Kyroflux or they have to be sent to the sps team to be turned into IPFs? Last edited by Retro1234; 13 August 2018 at 11:03. Reason: Putting ???

16 November 2018, 05:22	#13
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	Pinball Dreams NTSC in the zone! RAW Dump of disks with Kryoflux tonight as well! Last edited by TjLaZer; 16 November 2018 at 06:03.

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12 August 2018, 09:28	#2
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	The problem is that this game use an MFM disk format, and is also copy protected if my memory do not fail me. You need an A1200 or a kryoflux board to image the disk on a PC.

12 August 2018, 09:48	#3
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Is there an existing ipf of the NTSC version?if so you don't need to dump it. Some times US versions had different copy protection or just manual protection.

12 August 2018, 22:21	#4
tpgb12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: United States Posts: 52	I wasn't able to find an IPF, no.

13 August 2018, 00:11	#5
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	There is a Disk to allow you to make an IPF of it. But you need OS 3.0 and 020+ and fast ram I think. You can get an ACA500+ for your A500 and 030 card and have a nice system that can do this and also run WHDLoad games...

13 August 2018, 01:00	#6
whiteb Fanatically Amiga. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 1,557	The thing is, if you use the disk to make an IPF, would it be supported by WHDLOAD ?

14 August 2018, 22:30	#10
tpgb12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: United States Posts: 52	Shame it's not as easy as I'd like it to be... But about that ACA500+ TjLaZer mentioned, damn that looks like it'd be pretty sweet to have sometime. I'll have to look into it.

14 August 2018, 23:45	#11
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	If you do, please dump then your disks, i will check them

15 August 2018, 03:17	#12
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	Where in the US are you? Maybe an Amiga user near you that has the hardware can assist you to make a backup or WHDLoad install...

16 November 2018, 16:46	#14
tpgb12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: United States Posts: 52	Awesome! Hopefully someday if I get the right equipment I can repair my Disk 2.

16 November 2018, 21:32	#16
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	I check the dump Disk 1 is OK, i have an IPF, however, Disk 2 has : 1) track 16.0 is bad, need a redump. 2) track 78.1 is modified due to highscore saving. Can be changed if you dump the disk in kryoflux heavy format (KFRAW), the untouched highscores tracks can be added from the euro release.

17 November 2018, 01:57	#17
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	Hmmm. I noticed when I installed it in WHDLoad one file came up as 0. Maybe this is why. I tried to image it on multiple computers as I had an issue with it even starting on my 1200. Ripped it on my 4000 and it loads and runs fine. All 4 maps.

17 November 2018, 09:38	#18
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	ok tried disk 2 again, but I think the A1200 I used it on might have a bad drive. Kryoflux disk would not run on my A4000 GVP 4060.

17 November 2018, 16:50	#19
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	hi TJ, i checked your new disk 2 dump. Track 16 is always a problem, i can't decode it correctly. I would need a kryoflux dump of a original disk 2, and a kryoflux dump (KFraw) from your own disk 2 to make an unmodified version NTSC of Pinball Dreams.

17 November 2018, 22:59	#20
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	ok my disk must be bad. The game seems to work fine on WHDLoad though. Hopefully someone else can dump their disk 2.

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