Subliminal messages in Hawkeye pic, C64 version!

MazinKaesar · 04 July 2008, 18:34

I still have a copy of the original tape version of Hawkeye by Thalamus. Long time ago I ripped with a cartidge (a clone of Final Cartdidge II) the loading image,

The with a program like Koala paint I changed the background color from black to red... some pixels in the lower right corner remianed black, and the formed the words "buy Armalyte"... as you now, Armalyte was another game by Thalamus, released as the sequel of Delta...

It does not work with this gif image... if I will have so free time I want to redo this experiment under Vice!

StingRay · 04 July 2008, 18:45

Reminds me of the end picture of Cannon Fodder, if you change the background color from black to any other color you'll see some hidden texts.

formater · 04 July 2008, 19:26

Is the messege only in title screen?

keropi · 04 July 2008, 19:33

where is the message?

DamienD · 04 July 2008, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

where is the message?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MazinKaesar

It does not work with this gif image... if I will have so free time I want to redo this experiment under Vice!

StevenJGore · 04 July 2008, 19:37

Just to be picky... although undoubtedly cool, these aren't subliminal messages if they can't normally be seen!

Subliminal messages are, for example, altering 1 frame of a video with words such as "Buy this product!!". Although the brain doesn't register as seeing it (ie. you don't notice it) you subconsciously want to buy the product.

TV adverts have to follow guidelines that any text or images on screen should exist for a minimum of 4 frames, although this varies from country to country.

Steve.

demoniac · 04 July 2008, 20:14

I think these are subliminal messages. According to wiki:

Quote:

A subliminal message is a signal or message embedded in another medium, designed to pass below the normal limits of perception. These messages are unrecognizable by the conscious mind, but in certain situations can affect the subconscious or deeper mind and later actions or attitudes.

Ironclaw · 04 July 2008, 20:21

Not reading the above, but subliminal message to me is a message that CAN be seen, but hard to do so as it could be ONE frame among alot, or if it's close to the same color as the rest of the image etc.

Anyway, it can be seen, and the example in the first post can't be considered as a submliminal message as this message cannot be seen without changing the color.

Dizzy · 04 July 2008, 20:28

just a guess, but you can maybe see it if you turn up the light on your monitor

MazinKaesar · 04 July 2008, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenJGore

Just to be picky... although undoubtedly cool, these aren't subliminal messages if they can't normally be seen!

Subliminal messages are, for example, altering 1 frame of a video with words such as "Buy this product!!". Although the brain doesn't register as seeing it (ie. you don't notice it) you subconsciously want to buy the product.

TV adverts have to follow guidelines that any text or images on screen should exist for a minimum of 4 frames, although this varies from country to country.

Steve.

Well, maybe it is not a subliminal message but it is nice anyway ^^

MazinKaesar · 04 July 2008, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by formater

Is the messege only in title screen?

No, it is in the loading screen

Ironclaw · 04 July 2008, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy

just a guess, but you can maybe see it if you turn up the light on your monitor

Mmm, that could have been the intended purpose, but then it's not in the same color as the back as stated in the first post.... which also explains why there was a message a at all, as they probably wouldn't have bothered to make one if it has the exact same color as the back, as no one would be able to read it......

SO...

, a message being there must be because it was in a slightly different color so the brightness would reveal it...

Dizzy · 04 July 2008, 20:47

but agree it is not subliminal, more like a hidden message

T_hairy_bootson · 04 July 2008, 23:45

Where can I buy Armalyte and how much does it cost. I gotta buy that game.

Marcuz · 05 July 2008, 01:03

i'm puzzled... how many colours could have on screen CBM64?
if it's 16, the GIF palette should be alike the original, or at least show only 15 colours used, while instead there are 16 different ones in this palette...

Ironclaw · 05 July 2008, 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

i'm puzzled... how many colours could have on screen CBM64?
if it's 16, the GIF palette should be alike the original, or at least show only 15 colours used, while instead there are 16 different ones in this palette...

The picture posted in the first post uses 15 colors. But the palette has 16 colors.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy

just a guess, but you can maybe see it if you turn up the light on your monitor

Just thought of something, maybe the message only appears when the game is loading?... many C64 games have the major background color flashing in different colors, this would make the message stand out.

Galahad/FLT · 05 July 2008, 08:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Reminds me of the end picture of Cannon Fodder, if you change the background color from black to any other color you'll see some hidden texts.

Theres also hidden messages on the Virgin titlescreen as well

Ironclaw · 05 July 2008, 10:01

This reminds me of my GREAT Stardust discovery of 2004. This must be near impossible to see if no one records it and advance frame by frame.. Original message, I HEART BEER

, the thread was funny :P

click picky for linkie

Amiga1992 · 05 July 2008, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironclaw

This reminds me of my GREAT Stardust discovery of 2004. This must be near impossible to see if no one records it and advance frame by frame.. Original message, I HEART BEER

, the thread was funny :P

click picky for linkie

WHAT THE

Shoonay · 05 July 2008, 22:57

i miss CummButt Santee...

04 July 2008, 18:34	#1
MazinKaesar Super Robot Pilot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Modena (Italy) Age: 49 Posts: 871	Subliminal messages in Hawkeye pic, C64 version! I still have a copy of the original tape version of Hawkeye by Thalamus. Long time ago I ripped with a cartidge (a clone of Final Cartdidge II) the loading image, The with a program like Koala paint I changed the background color from black to red... some pixels in the lower right corner remianed black, and the formed the words "buy Armalyte"... as you now, Armalyte was another game by Thalamus, released as the sequel of Delta... It does not work with this gif image... if I will have so free time I want to redo this experiment under Vice!

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StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	Reminds me of the end picture of Cannon Fodder, if you change the background color from black to any other color you'll see some hidden texts.

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04 July 2008, 19:33	#4
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	where is the message?

04 July 2008, 19:37	#6
StevenJGore Amiga Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Age: 46 Posts: 737	Just to be picky... although undoubtedly cool, these aren't subliminal messages if they can't normally be seen! Subliminal messages are, for example, altering 1 frame of a video with words such as "Buy this product!!". Although the brain doesn't register as seeing it (ie. you don't notice it) you subconsciously want to buy the product. TV adverts have to follow guidelines that any text or images on screen should exist for a minimum of 4 frames, although this varies from country to country. Steve.

04 July 2008, 20:21	#8
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 46 Posts: 3,313	Not reading the above, but subliminal message to me is a message that CAN be seen, but hard to do so as it could be ONE frame among alot, or if it's close to the same color as the rest of the image etc. Anyway, it can be seen, and the example in the first post can't be considered as a submliminal message as this message cannot be seen without changing the color.

04 July 2008, 20:28	#9
Dizzy Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 3,395	just a guess, but you can maybe see it if you turn up the light on your monitor

04 July 2008, 20:47	#13
Dizzy Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 3,395	but agree it is not subliminal, more like a hidden message

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T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 47 Posts: 2,084	Where can I buy Armalyte and how much does it cost. I gotta buy that game.

05 July 2008, 01:03	#15
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	i'm puzzled... how many colours could have on screen CBM64? if it's 16, the GIF palette should be alike the original, or at least show only 15 colours used, while instead there are 16 different ones in this palette...

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