Thalion HOL Updates

alexh · 29 February 2004, 13:08

Lethal Xcess was published by Eclipse not by Thalion. It was actually nothing to do with Thalion, other than it was a sequal to a game previously published by Thalion.
Ambermoon
Developer = Thalion
Amberstar
Developer = Thalion
Code = Jurie Horneman, Michael Bittner
Graphics = Erik Simon
Music = Jochen Hippel
Box Artwork = Michael Hellmich
Enchanted Land
Developer = The Care Bears
Code = Amiga conversion Jochen Hippel aka MadMax
Atari ST Code = Niklas Thisell and Andreas Suurkussk
Music = Jochen Hippel
Concept = Klaus-Peter Ploog
Additional Graphics = Erik Simon, Holger Floettmann
Graphics = Michael Grohe
A Prehistoric Tale
Developer = The Lost Boys
Code = Amiga conversion Jochen Hippel
ST Code = Tim and Dave Moss
Graphics = Dave Moss
Music = Jochen Hippel
Design = Richard Karsmakers
Box Artwork = Michael Hellmich
Leavin' Teramis
Code = Michael Bittner, Markus Laatsch, Marc Rosocha
Graphics = Michael Grohe, Erik Simon, Tim Lange
Music = Jochen Hippel
Design = Erik Simon
Box Artwork = Celal Kandemiroglu
Trex Warrior
Code = Michael Bittner
Graphics = Erik Simon
Music = Skinnybone aka Steve Collet
Box Artwork = Celal Kandemiroglu
Tower FRA
Music = Jochen Hippel
Neuronics
Publication Date = 1991 (Art Edition)

More to come later.

Alex Holland
Thalion Webshrine

CodyJarrett · 01 March 2004, 00:07

Thanks Alex - I've updated:

Wings Of Death
Lethal Xcess
Amberstar
Enchanted Land

I'll update the others tomorrow.

I noticed that in the in-game credits of Enchanted Land it says "Amiga coding - Michael Krause", while you said Jochen Hippel did the Amiga conversion. Which is correct?

Also, the in-game credits of Amberstar says "Amiga Conversion: Udo Fischer". I'm assuming that this means Udo did the Amiga coding.

alexh · 01 March 2004, 00:38

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I noticed that in the in-game credits of Enchanted Land it says "Amiga coding - Michael Krause", while you said Jochen Hippel did the Amiga conversion. Which is correct?

I think you may be correct. It says in the manual that Jochen did coding, but I guess it was just Music coding. Jochen did a lot of the Amiga conversions.

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Also, the in-game credits of Amberstar says "Amiga Conversion: Udo Fischer". I'm assuming that this means Udo did the Amiga coding.

I'd have to ask him, but Yes. It's almost certainly correct. Michael Bittner and Jurie Horneman having done the ST version.

Cheers

Alex

andreas · 01 March 2004, 19:15

Thanks for your great information, Alex!

As you're here now...could you shed some light on the issue Atomix vs. Atomic? I'd like to get this solved eventually. Twistin' has had this request for ages in his MIA list, that he's looking for ATOMIX with ATOMIX title screen, so does this really exist for the Amiga?

Maybe you can directly ask your contacts about this.
The C=64 version has indeed an ATOMIX logo (with 'X').

[edit]
Trex Warrior and Tower FRA fixed.

Alex: if Art Edition did a re-release of Neuronics, I'm sure we must let the 1989 stay. It's about the first release. Should be in the notes, then (probably).

Codetapper · 01 March 2004, 22:03

I'm sure there is only one version of the game, and it is called Atomix on the Amiga.

Maybe it was originally going to be called Atomic and somebody knocked up the title screen as one of the first parts of the project.

However I think the "C" on the title screen could be some graphic artist being clever and trying to merge the "X" with the "I" to make it look more elite and less cluttered.

I am 99% sure (never 100%!) we will never find this alternate version because it doesn't exist. The game is Atomix, the title looks like Atomic to some people - end of story.

Codetapper · 01 March 2004, 22:05

C64 title screen - maybe the artist forgot to draw the remaining part of the X? :-)

Codetapper · 01 March 2004, 22:06

Atari ST title screen

CodyJarrett · 01 March 2004, 22:07

I've updated:

A Prehistoric Tale
Leavin' Teramis
Trex Warrior

The credits in Leavin' Teramis say that Michael Bittner and Jochen Hippel converted the game to the Amiga.

andreas · 02 March 2004, 00:14

@Codetapper / Cody ...

I'm wondering whether we didn't have an agreement in HOL that we do not enter graphic artists for game boxes?
Celal Kandemiroglu did the art for the box, and *that is why* I had intentionally left him out in Trex Warrior.

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Originally posted by Codetapper
I'm sure there is only one version of the game, and it is called Atomix on the Amiga.

Me too, but TOSEC seems to disagree on that.

That actually has been confusing me ever since I first saw 'Atomic' there.

alexh · 02 March 2004, 00:28

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If Art Edition did a re-release of Neuronics, I'm sure we must let the 1989 stay. It's about the first release. Should be in the notes, then (probably). [/B]

I very much doubt that the real date for Neuronics was 1989. I dont have an original (other than an Art Edition) but as the music was done by Matthias Steinwachs and he didnt join until late 1991....

http://www.nemmelheim.de/steinwachs/games.html

I cannot 100% confirm or deny a 1989 date, but it would make it a 1st year Thalion title, and it's not part of "Thalion 1st Year" box set.

BTW: I notice that you have a section for compilations etc. In 1990 Thalion did a compilation containing all their 1st years games. Called "- The First Year -". It contained 4 games. Chambers of Shaolin. Warp, The Seven Gates of Jambala and Leavin' Teramis

Cheers

Alex

alexh · 02 March 2004, 00:38

Eclipse seem to have been attributed several games they didnt do (perhaps multiple companies called eclipse?)

I am almost 100% sure that they didnt do :

Atax
Cardiax
Growth

Eclipse was founded by Marc Rosocha and he's not credited in any of the games in any way. (By that I mean there is no sign that he was involved hence not the same Eclipse company!)

Also Lethal Xcess was definately published by Eclipse, just as Monster Buisness was but HOL doesnt have a publisher set for Lethal Xcess.

Cheers

Alex

Codetapper · 02 March 2004, 03:01

Maybe there are 2 companies called Eclipse but the more common Team 17 version of Cardiaxx (the Team 17 one) right at the start shows Eclipse presents...

I am 99% sure of this as I spent a lot of time resourcing this game for the WHDLoad install. (However the game was so buggy I left it for C-Fou who supposedly got his version working up to level 4 - but his crashes on level 1 for me everytime!)

Maybe HOL should change the Thalion Eclipse entry to Eclipse (Marc Rosocha) or something?

alexh · 02 March 2004, 10:14

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Originally posted by Codetapper
Maybe there are 2 companies called Eclipse but the more common Team 17 version of Cardiaxx (the Team 17 one) right at the start shows Eclipse presents...

But did it have the "Eclipse Software Design" logo with the moon eclipsing the sun, with that strange green colour?

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Maybe HOL should change the Thalion Eclipse entry to Eclipse (Marc Rosocha) or something?

?? The HOL entry 181 is for "Eclipse Software Design" not "Thalion Eclipse" which is totally correct. HOL just has games tagged to this company which I am 99% sure they didnt do.

Cheers

Alex Holland

Codetapper · 02 March 2004, 20:18

Intro text

Codetapper · 02 March 2004, 20:19

Cardiaxx title pic

alexh · 03 March 2004, 00:08

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Originally posted by Codetapper
Cardiaxx title pic

That isnt their logo or font. They kept the same logo and font all the way through to Iron Soldier 3 for the PSone in 2000. It aint the same company.

Alex

CodyJarrett · 03 March 2004, 01:25

I've...

- changed the Neuronics date to 1992 and updated the entry.
- Split the two Eclipses into Eclipse (Austria) and Eclipse (UK).
- Added Eclipse (Austria) as the publisher for Lethal Xcess
- Updated the Cardiaxx (Team 17) and Monster Business entries.

This ST link says this about Eclipse:

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Marc actually asked me to think of a name for his company. Because I was a fan of Yngwie Malmsteen, who had just released "Eclipse", I thought of "Eclipse Design" or something. Erik Simon made an Eclipse logo and that's about it. Later it was discovered that there was already an old, little known company called Eclipse, but the name was kept anyway.' (Richard)

alexh · 03 March 2004, 09:16

Do you want some Box cover scans for the missing Thalion games?

I could produce some higher resolution scans, but in the meantime if you want to nick them from the Thalion webshrine it's fine by me.

CodyJarrett · 03 March 2004, 10:48

Yes please Alex - can you scan higher resolution versions? Thanks.

alexh · 04 March 2004, 10:09

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Originally posted by CodyJarrett
Yes please Alex - can you scan higher resolution versions? Thanks.

Eventually, but in the meantime, something is better than nothing?

Cheers

Alex

29 February 2004, 13:08	#1
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 13,861	Thalion HOL Updates Lethal Xcess was published by Eclipse not by Thalion. It was actually nothing to do with Thalion, other than it was a sequal to a game previously published by Thalion. Ambermoon Developer = Thalion Amberstar Developer = Thalion Code = Jurie Horneman, Michael Bittner Graphics = Erik Simon Music = Jochen Hippel Box Artwork = Michael Hellmich Enchanted Land Developer = The Care Bears Code = Amiga conversion Jochen Hippel aka MadMax Atari ST Code = Niklas Thisell and Andreas Suurkussk Music = Jochen Hippel Concept = Klaus-Peter Ploog Additional Graphics = Erik Simon, Holger Floettmann Graphics = Michael Grohe A Prehistoric Tale Developer = The Lost Boys Code = Amiga conversion Jochen Hippel ST Code = Tim and Dave Moss Graphics = Dave Moss Music = Jochen Hippel Design = Richard Karsmakers Box Artwork = Michael Hellmich Leavin' Teramis Code = Michael Bittner, Markus Laatsch, Marc Rosocha Graphics = Michael Grohe, Erik Simon, Tim Lange Music = Jochen Hippel Design = Erik Simon Box Artwork = Celal Kandemiroglu Trex Warrior Code = Michael Bittner Graphics = Erik Simon Music = Skinnybone aka Steve Collet Box Artwork = Celal Kandemiroglu Tower FRA Music = Jochen Hippel Neuronics Publication Date = 1991 (Art Edition) More to come later. Alex Holland Thalion Webshrine Last edited by alexh; 29 February 2004 at 18:58.

01 March 2004, 19:15	#4
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 49 Posts: 5,857	Atomix vs. Atomic Thanks for your great information, Alex! As you're here now...could you shed some light on the issue Atomix vs. Atomic? I'd like to get this solved eventually. Twistin' has had this request for ages in his MIA list, that he's looking for ATOMIX with ATOMIX title screen, so does this really exist for the Amiga? Maybe you can directly ask your contacts about this. The C=64 version has indeed an ATOMIX logo (with 'X'). [edit] Trex Warrior and Tower FRA fixed. Alex: if Art Edition did a re-release of Neuronics, I'm sure we must let the 1989 stay. It's about the first release. Should be in the notes, then (probably). Last edited by andreas; 01 March 2004 at 19:23.

01 March 2004, 22:03	#5
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,170	The game is Atomix I'm sure there is only one version of the game, and it is called Atomix on the Amiga. Maybe it was originally going to be called Atomic and somebody knocked up the title screen as one of the first parts of the project. However I think the "C" on the title screen could be some graphic artist being clever and trying to merge the "X" with the "I" to make it look more elite and less cluttered. I am 99% sure (never 100%!) we will never find this alternate version because it doesn't exist. The game is Atomix, the title looks like Atomic to some people - end of story. Attached Thumbnails

01 March 2004, 22:05	#6
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,170	C64 title screen - maybe the artist forgot to draw the remaining part of the X? :-) Attached Thumbnails

01 March 2004, 22:06	#7
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,170	Atari ST title screen Attached Thumbnails

01 March 2004, 00:07	#2
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 45 Posts: 6,092	Thanks Alex - I've updated: Wings Of Death Lethal Xcess Amberstar Enchanted Land I'll update the others tomorrow. I noticed that in the in-game credits of Enchanted Land it says "Amiga coding - Michael Krause", while you said Jochen Hippel did the Amiga conversion. Which is correct? Also, the in-game credits of Amberstar says "Amiga Conversion: Udo Fischer". I'm assuming that this means Udo did the Amiga coding.

01 March 2004, 22:07	#8
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 45 Posts: 6,092	I've updated: A Prehistoric Tale Leavin' Teramis Trex Warrior The credits in Leavin' Teramis say that Michael Bittner and Jochen Hippel converted the game to the Amiga.

02 March 2004, 00:38	#11
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 13,861	Eclipse seem to have been attributed several games they didnt do (perhaps multiple companies called eclipse?) I am almost 100% sure that they didnt do : Atax Cardiax Growth Eclipse was founded by Marc Rosocha and he's not credited in any of the games in any way. (By that I mean there is no sign that he was involved hence not the same Eclipse company!) Also Lethal Xcess was definately published by Eclipse, just as Monster Buisness was but HOL doesnt have a publisher set for Lethal Xcess. Cheers Alex Last edited by alexh; 02 March 2004 at 10:17.

02 March 2004, 03:01	#12
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,170	Eclipse Maybe there are 2 companies called Eclipse but the more common Team 17 version of Cardiaxx (the Team 17 one) right at the start shows Eclipse presents... I am 99% sure of this as I spent a lot of time resourcing this game for the WHDLoad install. (However the game was so buggy I left it for C-Fou who supposedly got his version working up to level 4 - but his crashes on level 1 for me everytime!) Maybe HOL should change the Thalion Eclipse entry to Eclipse (Marc Rosocha) or something?

02 March 2004, 20:18	#14
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,170	Intro text Attached Thumbnails

02 March 2004, 20:19	#15
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,170	Cardiaxx title pic Attached Thumbnails

03 March 2004, 09:16	#18
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 13,861	Do you want some Box cover scans for the missing Thalion games? I could produce some higher resolution scans, but in the meantime if you want to nick them from the Thalion webshrine it's fine by me. Last edited by alexh; 01 April 2007 at 21:53.

03 March 2004, 10:48	#19
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 45 Posts: 6,092	Yes please Alex - can you scan higher resolution versions? Thanks.

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