Is A/UX supported by shapeshifter

Lisko · 23 July 2021, 14:31

Hi as the titles says does shapeshifter or even fusion supports Apple Unix OS? I'll definitely try it out but if some of you already know that it's not working will save me an hassle.

torsti76 · 23 July 2021, 14:36

What are you trying to achieve? A/UX runs natively on the Amiga, what would you use Shapeshifter for?

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Lisko · 23 July 2021, 14:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by torsti76

What are you trying to achieve? A/UX runs natively on the Amiga, what would you use Shapeshifter for?

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A/UX stands for Apple Unix OS, it's unix with on top macos 7 GUI and a compatibility layer that supports normal 68k os 7 apps.

torsti76 · 23 July 2021, 15:22

Ah, okay. Because in the first post you wrote "Amiga Unix OS", which also exists and was the OS for the Amiga 3000UX.

Lisko · 23 July 2021, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by torsti76

Ah, okay. Because in the first post you wrote "Amiga Unix OS", which also exists and was the OS for the Amiga 3000UX.

You are right, my mistake, I corrected the OP.

stevelord · 23 July 2021, 21:58

In theory, Shapeshifter should be able to use a Quadra 700 ROM and A/UX should be installable. I say in theory because I've never tried it in Shapeshifter, but I did have a Quadra 650 that ran A/UX and it's very finicky about hardware.

Locutus · 24 July 2021, 11:26

No, Shapeshifter can not run A/UX.

How emulators like Shapeshifter work is that they runtime patch the Toolbox ROM which contains the hardware abstraction layer for the MacOS (not unlike the Kickstart).

A/UX is bootstrapped from inside MacOS but afterwards directly talks to the Mac hardware.

To run A/UX you thus need to emulate the actual Mac Hardware, which very few Mac emulators ever bothered to do. ...In addition to that you would need to emulate the MMU as A/UX will need exclusive use to it, which would be problematic to say the least when trying to run as a light virtualization system such as Shapeshifter.

That said, Duckbill (-> https://github.com/pruten/shoebill ) Can run A/UX as it emulates a Mac II.

But running that on Amiga is unreasonable.

23 July 2021, 14:31	#1
Lisko Registered User Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Avellino, Italy Posts: 170	Is A/UX supported by shapeshifter Hi as the titles says does shapeshifter or even fusion supports Apple Unix OS? I'll definitely try it out but if some of you already know that it's not working will save me an hassle. Last edited by Lisko; 23 July 2021 at 16:27.

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23 July 2021, 14:36	#2
torsti76 Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Germany, Baden-Wuerttemberg Posts: 387	What are you trying to achieve? A/UX runs natively on the Amiga, what would you use Shapeshifter for? Gesendet von meinem XQ-BT52 mit Tapatalk

23 July 2021, 15:22	#4
torsti76 Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Germany, Baden-Wuerttemberg Posts: 387	Ah, okay. Because in the first post you wrote "Amiga Unix OS", which also exists and was the OS for the Amiga 3000UX.

23 July 2021, 21:58	#6
stevelord Registered User Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: UK Posts: 540	In theory, Shapeshifter should be able to use a Quadra 700 ROM and A/UX should be installable. I say in theory because I've never tried it in Shapeshifter, but I did have a Quadra 650 that ran A/UX and it's very finicky about hardware.

24 July 2021, 11:26	#7
Locutus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Finland Posts: 1,176	No, Shapeshifter can not run A/UX. How emulators like Shapeshifter work is that they runtime patch the Toolbox ROM which contains the hardware abstraction layer for the MacOS (not unlike the Kickstart). A/UX is bootstrapped from inside MacOS but afterwards directly talks to the Mac hardware. To run A/UX you thus need to emulate the actual Mac Hardware, which very few Mac emulators ever bothered to do. ...In addition to that you would need to emulate the MMU as A/UX will need exclusive use to it, which would be problematic to say the least when trying to run as a light virtualization system such as Shapeshifter. That said, Duckbill (-> https://github.com/pruten/shoebill ) Can run A/UX as it emulates a Mac II. But running that on Amiga is unreasonable.

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