WinUAE detecting and making use of the swap file - Page 3

TCD · 07 July 2010, 17:39

@NewDeli
Maybe it's really an idea just to post about your problem next time or at least mention it somewhere along the way (preferably in the first post). I know that I sound like a broken record, but again you shouldn't assume something to be the solution if you aren't sure. Using the pagefile won't solve any memory leak if there is one and WinUAE already does it anyway, like every other application and why the talk about putting the harddrive in the pagefile and... really, why not keep it to the point?

NewDeli · 07 July 2010, 17:58

It's an adaptation from the famous funnel technique used by sales reps. OK, apparently it won't become popular in the near future among tecchies !

So it all boils down to the catalysts inefficiency for extended use during the same session ? Interesting.

AmigaFriend · 07 July 2010, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewDeli

I have noticed WinUAE "exhausts" Windows (Windows Vista most notably, as it's the main OS is use here) faster than other proggies.

So I said to myself : Could it be that WinUAE depends too much on free RAM ? I wouldn't mind too much a somehow slower AmigaOS boot up time, if that meant I could "reload" numerous times without the side effect I just mentioned.

Not on this laptop. Running Windows Vista.

See with useless 1Gb Fastram

Maccara · 07 July 2010, 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewDeli

It's an adaptation from the famous funnel technique used by sales reps. OK, apparently it won't become popular in the near future among tecchies !

Definitely not! It's extremely annoying! And gets no results whatsoever.

Quote:

So it all boils down to the catalysts inefficiency for extended use during the same session ? Interesting.

See, I could've told you after your first post (if it included the real reasons for this request), that I've seen a similar issue (I run ATI too).

We could've focused on the real issue instead of beating around this crap instead.

NewDeli · 07 July 2010, 18:34

I wanted to make a one stone hits two stones coup 'cause I sincerely thought it had something to do with a
"not enough free ram -> switching to page file -> WinUAE doesn't like it" issue.
Sorry about that.

Let's behave as nice chaps and focus on this Catalyst issue

Maccara also experiences, agreed ?

Maccara · 07 July 2010, 18:49

That's what TCD (among others) have been trying to tell you: don't jump to conclusions. Makes it much easier to get to the real issues.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewDeli

Let's behave as nice chaps and focus on this Catalyst issue

Maccara also experiences, agreed ?

This is not exactly the same issue you're having, but can you try switching rendering mode (d3d<->ddraw) when it happens next time.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=52752

I never saw anyone else experiencing it so didn't bother to look further as I had a workaround. It is most likely an ATI issue (which winuae just might happen to expose - didn't see anything wrong with the code, though).

NewDeli · 07 July 2010, 19:23

I'll let you know if setting up a page file where WinUAE sits in may work as a workaround. Who know ? Maybe it will (I don't care to wait for a few more seconds between WinUAE sessions) !

I suppose nobody except Toni bought one of these Radeon HD 5x beasts to tell whether it is tied to specifically to our gfx card model or to the Catalysts ? It isn't excessively annoying but it might give a wrong signal as whether it is time or not to upgrade again. Apparently, the 4850 hasn't quite done its time yet (I hope not !) for the average user.

killergorilla · 07 July 2010, 19:30

Why don't you try setting up your laptop in a deep dark cave somewhere away from everyone.

Then you can open and close WinUAE all day and it won't bother us

TCD · 07 July 2010, 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewDeli

I'll let you know if setting up a page file where WinUAE sits in may work as a workaround. Who know ? Maybe it will (I don't care to wait for a few more seconds between WinUAE sessions) !

Seriously Del, there's something wrong with you. Maccara already explained you what's going on. Really, what's your problem?

AmigaFriend · 07 July 2010, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewDeli

I'll let you know if setting up a page file where WinUAE sits in may work as a workaround.

NewDeli, I really fail to understand your stumberness in a total pointless idea, when you had sensible replies on the matter telling you otherwise. Either you are plain dumb, or you fail to understand the English words posted on this thread.

I'm sorry, but I think enough is enough.

cosmicfrog · 07 July 2010, 19:57

can`t be botherd read a lot of these posts today, sorry guys & dudes but

If you are useing a 32 bit version of windows theres no point haveing the swap file bigger than 4 Gig

killergorilla · 07 July 2010, 20:01

Also, don't put your swap file on a usb 1 external hdd.

NewDeli · 07 July 2010, 20:02

Strangely enough, I don't seem to have this problem since the day I enabled a page file on my emulators partition (and one on the c: partition too). Of course, it could also come from improvements in WinUAE, after one series of bugfixes or another.

Catalysts are not perfect but they are regularly updated, so I though about investigating other possible causes. Hey, just as Saint Augustin, I am not asking anyone to give me credit for trusting in priority my own eyes, but it is how it is !

killergorilla · 07 July 2010, 20:08

I would recommend using a Swap File of over 1mb.

haps · 07 July 2010, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewDeli

@haps
At the age of 2, you're much too young to drink beer ! Just wait 'till you're 1 and it should be OK.

Cheers, for pointing that out for me Deli, I have now set my age to 1 year old again. And in my opinion that is the most productive thing that has eventuated from this dismal thread.

Galahad/FLT · 07 July 2010, 20:31

@ Deaulevive....... Please will you STOP responding and replying to this thread you've made?

The more you reply, the MORE you fail (I know, who would have thought it possible to continue to fail more?), or do the decent thing, find out who moderates this particular part of the board, and ask them very nicely to please delete this thread as its only going to end in tears........ yours most likely!

I note with humoured interest that you've changed your name to "NewDeli"..... alas, nothings changed, still the "OldDeli"!!!!!

NewDeli · 07 July 2010, 20:53

You should know for having struggled with the temptation to pack your things and leave EAB because of some GM intervening, Sir :
"It is always enjoyable to make fun of others tragedy 'till it actually hits you."

This proverb's origin is Indian, of course

.

killergorilla · 07 July 2010, 21:06

Of course.

Who didn't know that??!?!?!

Make sure your swap file is in the same PC as the one you are using.

Galahad/FLT · 07 July 2010, 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Of course.

Who didn't know that??!?!?!

Make sure your swap file is in the same PC as the one you are using.

Thats just silly talk.

I keep my swap file on my mobile phone, frees my PC up completely.

Graham Humphrey · 07 July 2010, 22:44

I think this thread has run its course.

One more step out of line for NewDeli and he can pack his (virtual) bags. No ifs or buts.

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07 July 2010, 17:39	#41
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	@NewDeli Maybe it's really an idea just to post about your problem next time or at least mention it somewhere along the way (preferably in the first post). I know that I sound like a broken record, but again you shouldn't assume something to be the solution if you aren't sure. Using the pagefile won't solve any memory leak if there is one and WinUAE already does it anyway, like every other application and why the talk about putting the harddrive in the pagefile and... really, why not keep it to the point?

07 July 2010, 17:58	#42
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	It's an adaptation from the famous funnel technique used by sales reps. OK, apparently it won't become popular in the near future among tecchies ! So it all boils down to the catalysts inefficiency for extended use during the same session ? Interesting.

07 July 2010, 18:34	#45
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	I wanted to make a one stone hits two stones coup 'cause I sincerely thought it had something to do with a "not enough free ram -> switching to page file -> WinUAE doesn't like it" issue. Sorry about that. Let's behave as nice chaps and focus on this Catalyst issue Maccara also experiences, agreed ?

07 July 2010, 19:23	#47
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	I'll let you know if setting up a page file where WinUAE sits in may work as a workaround. Who know ? Maybe it will (I don't care to wait for a few more seconds between WinUAE sessions) ! I suppose nobody except Toni bought one of these Radeon HD 5x beasts to tell whether it is tied to specifically to our gfx card model or to the Catalysts ? It isn't excessively annoying but it might give a wrong signal as whether it is time or not to upgrade again. Apparently, the 4850 hasn't quite done its time yet (I hope not !) for the average user.

07 July 2010, 19:30	#48
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Why don't you try setting up your laptop in a deep dark cave somewhere away from everyone. Then you can open and close WinUAE all day and it won't bother us

07 July 2010, 19:57	#51
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	can`t be botherd read a lot of these posts today, sorry guys & dudes but If you are useing a 32 bit version of windows theres no point haveing the swap file bigger than 4 Gig

07 July 2010, 20:01	#52
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Also, don't put your swap file on a usb 1 external hdd.

07 July 2010, 20:02	#53
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	Strangely enough, I don't seem to have this problem since the day I enabled a page file on my emulators partition (and one on the c: partition too). Of course, it could also come from improvements in WinUAE, after one series of bugfixes or another. Catalysts are not perfect but they are regularly updated, so I though about investigating other possible causes. Hey, just as Saint Augustin, I am not asking anyone to give me credit for trusting in priority my own eyes, but it is how it is !

07 July 2010, 20:08	#54
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I would recommend using a Swap File of over 1mb.

07 July 2010, 20:31	#56
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	@ Deaulevive....... Please will you STOP responding and replying to this thread you've made? The more you reply, the MORE you fail (I know, who would have thought it possible to continue to fail more?), or do the decent thing, find out who moderates this particular part of the board, and ask them very nicely to please delete this thread as its only going to end in tears........ yours most likely! I note with humoured interest that you've changed your name to "NewDeli"..... alas, nothings changed, still the "OldDeli"!!!!!

07 July 2010, 20:53	#57
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	You should know for having struggled with the temptation to pack your things and leave EAB because of some GM intervening, Sir : "It is always enjoyable to make fun of others tragedy 'till it actually hits you." This proverb's origin is Indian, of course .

07 July 2010, 21:06	#58
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Of course. Who didn't know that??!?!?! Make sure your swap file is in the same PC as the one you are using.

07 July 2010, 22:44	#60
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	I think this thread has run its course. One more step out of line for NewDeli and he can pack his (virtual) bags. No ifs or buts.

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