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Picasso 96 driver for ECS/AGA
This is not about open source or not, that's just something Damien misunderstood. This native driver does nothing more than loading rtg.library and set two env variables, you can do the same in three lines of existing commands in startup-sequence.
However, the question raised here was, does this replace FBlit, to which the answer is - not really. For several reasons, one being that it relies on P96 (well, rtg.library), another being that it doesn't give fine grained control about what parameters to tweak for individual programs, or for certain hardware and software combinations. With P96 everything is easy, it either works, or it doesn't. If it doesn't, the software is buggy and you should not use it, but you can also "turn off" P96 to various degrees, manually reset P96 env vars before starting "buggy" programs etc or worst case remove the "driver" and reboot before starting them. Simple and user-friendly, just like the developers intended. Last edited by kolla; 31 January 2019 at 08:57. |
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Back in the trenches again, huh? I didn't say it was "bad", I am saying that it is "nothing new", that what your "driver" does, has been possible decades. Yet what do people use? FBlit.
I have zero political agenda here, this is not about politics (though with Hyperion, it is becoming increasingly politizised - do I want to support a Belgian nationalist with money? Probably not.) If P96 fully replaces FBlit, then why has it not replaced FBlit fully already? Are people just stupid for using FBlit over P96? What about the posts on this very thread, from users who wonder if P96 on native chipset can ever reach the speed they see with FBlit? Are they all lying, or being delusional? Are they all just confused sheeple minded "most users" who despite your efforts, have managed to misconfigure their systems? I don't "like" FBlit any more than I "like" P96, or whatever other random "hacks&patches" we end up using to circumvent the miserable state of Amiga hardware and OS, I also don't have a need to fix anything, all bugs and issues are pretty much well known and well documented. Nothing is stopping me from doing whatever, and the ONLY thing I complain about here, is your behaviour, Thomas. Last edited by kolla; 31 January 2019 at 10:20. |
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Only forum I was "banned" from was apollo-core (I wasn't even banned, I stopped posting, and months later found out that in order to post again, I would need to send Gunnar a copy of my passport...)
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I really don't get what you discuss here. Thomas created his own solution that believes it is better. If anyone else prefer to use anything else, we are all free to do.
I would prefer to see a productive discussion on how this works in our systems, and if it has any problems, report back so that the author can fix them. Anything else is pretty out of topic, in my opinion. |
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Problems have already been described and discredited. Bug reports are not to be posted here, or to be sent to Thomas, but to Individual Computer, the rightful owner of P96. If things are as they normally are with IComp, you can also pretty much forget reporting bugs unless you also buy P96 and register as user. Distribution of rtg.libray in ClassicWB, BestWB, coffin etc is not permitted, as the Picasso96 archive must be complete, and none of the files within changed.
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yes....im using v46.4 icon library....also ftext and fblit.....i did remove ftext ang got the icon txt back....need to look into it further.
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The answer is: I do not know. It is not going into my pockets. Ask Jens. He's probably better off hiring someone to maintain P96 on his account. I'm only trying to be helpful.
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Not "discredited". Rather, "remove all patches, run with original components".
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I strongly suggest that you guys read the Rules & Help and especially the part about Banned Topics...
Save the rubbish about politics for another forum... I won't ask again; enough please and final warning!!! |
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I think P96 Native, CgxAga and FBlit are 3 alternative options now and I can't understand the dispute about them. One solution might be more system friendly and another a little bit faster, so it's up to the user to compare them and make a decision. Fixing or optimizing the code of another author is always very difficult. All these 3 programs are quite complex and there are a lot of hidden dependencies in the code, relations between the functions and subroutines which you don't know if it's not your own code. So you can easily break something else while you're trying to fix a bug or improve speed. It can take a lot of time to understand every code line of an unknown program even if it is open source. The best (or worst) example is DOpus5. |
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A problem often seen in old closed source code is the lack of comprehensive comments and documentation, that makes it hard to understand - but still this is of course no valid argument to keep such code closed ... The statement OSS is not good or not helpful when it comes to Amiga is just evidently wrong. |
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Jesus christ on an e-bike, how come every single time Kolla, Gorf and Grond join the discussion on whatever topic inhere, that thread instantly becomes a constant flow of closed source whining, derailing, passive-aggressive behaviour and dick waving contest?
@Thomas Richer A huge thank you for all the time, dedication and passion you're still putting in keeping our beloved Amiga somewhat alive: even though I'm a sad panda in knowing you're not gaining anything from them, I bought both OS3.1.4 and the updated P96 to show you some kind of support. Should you have a Paypal account, please let me know and I'll be more than happy to send you a little tip: you truly deserve a gold medal, not this constant and tireless bashing. Also, there's an useful "add user to ignore list" function on this very forum, maybe it's time you should start making use of it. |
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So Thomas's reply to my question wasn't helpful to you in assessing how much support buying OS3.1.4 and P96 actually means to Thomas? And, hence, my question was just "closed source whining, derailing, passive-aggressive behaviour and dick waving contest"? I would prefer my money going to Thomas than to somebody who wants to bum an extra euro off me for some alleged good reason.
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