HQC Kickstart 1.2 (cracked kickstart)

T_hairy_bootson · 30 September 2003, 06:45

Recently unpacked my old A1000

I've got original kickstarts 1.1 and 1.3 and a HQC cracked version of 1.2 which allows you to do some extra stuff.

I'ts got a virus detector and killer and pressing F10 brings up a copy program, also the rolling crackers message at the start says i can bring up a quick version of workbench but i never got this to work. and pressing one of the mouse buttons swaps drives.

does anyone know of any other special kickstart disks (cracked or otherwise)? also is it possible to get a 2.0 kickstart disk for the A1000?

Mojo · 07 October 2003, 13:54

kickstarts? do you mean workbench? ?to my knowledge kickstart are the amiga 'bios' ROM(s) (two of them).

fisken uno · 07 October 2003, 14:09

Correct, Mojo. But there were actually disks that allowed you to boot with kick 1.3 on 3.1 systems etc. My guess would be that this is what he means with 'cracked' kickstart. Or am I wrong?

EDIT: Hmm, I might actually be wrong... Do you mean that the hardware is modified/"cracked"!?

T_hairy_bootson · 07 October 2003, 14:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo
kickstarts? do you mean workbench? ?to my knowledge kickstart are the amiga 'bios' ROM(s) (two of them).

the Amiga 1000 needed to be booted with kickstart disks because the kickstart rom was not stored on a chip inside the computer. Once you loaded a kickstart you didnt need to do it again until you turned off the amiga and switched it back on again.

fisken uno · 07 October 2003, 14:12

Ah, yes I recall that I've seen such kickstart disks. Now that you mention them.

derSammler · 07 October 2003, 15:50

Quote:

Originally posted by T_hairy_bootson
does anyone know of any other special kickstart disks (cracked or otherwise)?

There's also a hacked kickstart disk from LEVEL42 and there are a lot of kickstart disks with different anti-virus programs built in. Nothing really special however...

mtb · 07 October 2003, 17:13

Quote:

Originally posted by T_hairy_bootson
also is it possible to get a 2.0 kickstart disk for the A1000?

If you have some extra ram you can softkick it. The kickstart rom will be used from ram, since 2.0+ roms are 512 kb and they can't fit in the 256 kb normally used for ks 1.3.

T_hairy_bootson · 07 October 2003, 17:36

Quote:

Originally posted by WindowsKiller
There's also a hacked kickstart disk from LEVEL42 and there are a lot of kickstart disks with different anti-virus programs built in. Nothing really special however...

yeah i found that one just today its a shame its in German

Quote:

Originally posted by mtb
If you have some extra ram you can softkick it. The kickstart rom will be used from ram, since 2.0+ roms are 512 kb and they can't fit in the 256 kb normally used for ks 1.3.

I think ive only got a meg not counting the 256 put aside for kickstart. My wb 1.3 says i have 1309488 free memory, would that be enough??

mtb · 07 October 2003, 21:54

I think you have 1.5 mb if the free mem is 1309000, don't you? It's enought even for 3.1, but you will have something like 800 kb free.

adolescent · 08 October 2003, 03:31

I don't think you can get a KS 2.0 on floppy. Actually, there is a Super Kickstart 2.x on floppy for bootstrapped Amiga 3000's, but that's not likely to work. But, you should be able to kick the A1000 up to 2.05 with the KickTools.lha package from Aminet (util/misc).

andreas · 08 October 2003, 05:26

HUH?!?

Don't think before you can PROVE!

In fact it is possible to put a KS 2.04 ROM (512K) on an 880 KB disk! I even managed to put some (PP-crunched) tools on the disk and made it boot *INTO* KS 2.04!
Was sorta 4 hours of work - but I love my softkicker disk!
(If I ever get a golem box again with non-corrupt RAM, even more!)

Well, I found the RAM on my golem box to be FUCKED - bah!

Wasn't stable, this means it was sort of "self-modifying RAM" (

), so CRC32 of the KS ROM in RAM was always different, although I didn't modify any data! Made the whole machine crash after a short while, of course.

NOTE: Please do NOT ask me to upload this disk to the zone, you know why I can't.

T_hairy_bootson · 08 October 2003, 09:38

whats a Golem box precious??

derSammler · 08 October 2003, 12:12

Quote:

Was sorta 4 hours of work - but I love my softkicker disk!

4 hours ?

I can make one in less than 5 minutes, you only need two files... Also, softkick disks which boots into Kickstart 2.x are already available. The one from FairLight for example.

However, softkicking was already mentioned and it will work on any Amiga with enough ram, of course.

T_hairy_bootson · 08 October 2003, 14:15

sofkicking gotta give it a try

DrBong · 09 October 2003, 12:35

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I don't think you can get a KS 2.0 on floppy.

Well, I got a disk here somewhere from the scene days that loads KS 2.0. It doesn't seem to be a cracker's release, so it could be an autobooting softkicker disk that someone knocked up. IIRC it will work on an A1000 that has an older kickstart in rom, but not on an A1000 that needs kickstart loaded off floppy. Could be wrong, though, as it's been a long while since I've used the disk.

andreas · 13 October 2003, 18:33

Quote:

Originally posted by WindowsKiller
4 hours ?

I can make one in less than 5 minutes, you only need two files...

Don't shoot too quick.

- grubbing together all those tools, and selecting the ones I want to keep on the disk ( + researching work)
- tried THREE softkicker tools from aminet with various options
(about 15-20 reboots)
- tried different 2.0x kickstarts because I thought one of the tools only accepts an original Commodore one with softkicker abilities
[until I got the info that this should work with "ordinary" KS, too]

Remember my RAM was FUCKED and I didn't know it until I eventually crammed this CRC checker on my disk. BEFORE that period of time, I had to think of each and every possibility what could cause the crashes! This took at least about 2 1/2 hours, checking out all those possibilities and combinations / command-line options.
You don't get these clues in the very first five minutes, maybe you do, but "ordinary" people don't, mind you.

The whole procedure of experimenting was 4 hours, the "netto" time for building the disk maybe at most 30 minutes.

Quote:

Also, softkick disks which boots into Kickstart 2.x are already available. The one from FairLight for example.

Well I'm on it - trying to get a golem, then we'll see

@T-hairy-bootson::
A golem is a memory expansion box for the A1000 made by former German company Kupke (+ 2 MB RAM), mounted sidecar-wise.

T_hairy_bootson · 14 October 2003, 10:20

Quote:

Originally posted by andreas
A golem is a memory expansion box for the A1000 made by former German company Kupke (+ 2 MB RAM), mounted sidecar-wise.

I think thats what I have, don't know if its German it has a cheap switch on the front side and its in a cream metal box. I always thought it was 1 meg. but now I'm thinking its 1.5 meg see above posts re: WB memory

I still have no idea how to go about making a softkick disk...
guess I am ordinary..lol

T_hairy_bootson · 14 October 2003, 10:41

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/gokemmegabit.html

nope mine looks a little different no piggyback slot either

adolescent · 15 October 2003, 08:58

Quote:

Originally posted by andreas
HUH?!?

Don't think before you can PROVE!

I was refering to A1000 Kickstart disks, not a rom file and a soft kicker.

andreas · 16 October 2003, 05:56

OK no offense

BLOODY English language!

Quote:

"I don't think you can get a 2.0 kickstart on floppy"

a) "capacity-wise, it's not possible to fit a 2.0 kickstart on the disk"

b) "it's not possible to obtain a 2.0 kickstart on floppy for the A1000, because it's not available"

hehe
it's that diabolical verb "get" used for each and every thing

30 September 2003, 06:45	#1
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	HQC Kickstart 1.2 (cracked kickstart) Recently unpacked my old A1000 I've got original kickstarts 1.1 and 1.3 and a HQC cracked version of 1.2 which allows you to do some extra stuff. I'ts got a virus detector and killer and pressing F10 brings up a copy program, also the rolling crackers message at the start says i can bring up a quick version of workbench but i never got this to work. and pressing one of the mouse buttons swaps drives. does anyone know of any other special kickstart disks (cracked or otherwise)? also is it possible to get a 2.0 kickstart disk for the A1000?

08 October 2003, 05:26	#11
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	HUH?!? Don't think before you can PROVE! In fact it is possible to put a KS 2.04 ROM (512K) on an 880 KB disk! I even managed to put some (PP-crunched) tools on the disk and made it boot INTO KS 2.04! Was sorta 4 hours of work - but I love my softkicker disk! (If I ever get a golem box again with non-corrupt RAM, even more!) Well, I found the RAM on my golem box to be FUCKED - bah! Wasn't stable, this means it was sort of "self-modifying RAM" (), so CRC32 of the KS ROM in RAM was always different, although I didn't modify any data! Made the whole machine crash after a short while, of course. NOTE: Please do NOT ask me to upload this disk to the zone, you know why I can't.

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07 October 2003, 13:54	#2
Mojo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: - Posts: 132	kickstarts? do you mean workbench? ?to my knowledge kickstart are the amiga 'bios' ROM(s) (two of them).

07 October 2003, 14:09	#3
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Correct, Mojo. But there were actually disks that allowed you to boot with kick 1.3 on 3.1 systems etc. My guess would be that this is what he means with 'cracked' kickstart. Or am I wrong? EDIT: Hmm, I might actually be wrong... Do you mean that the hardware is modified/"cracked"!?

07 October 2003, 14:12	#5
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Ah, yes I recall that I've seen such kickstart disks. Now that you mention them.

07 October 2003, 21:54	#9
mtb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Italy Age: 40 Posts: 466	I think you have 1.5 mb if the free mem is 1309000, don't you? It's enought even for 3.1, but you will have something like 800 kb free.

08 October 2003, 03:31	#10
adolescent Powered by Motorola Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Age: 52 Posts: 1,065	I don't think you can get a KS 2.0 on floppy. Actually, there is a Super Kickstart 2.x on floppy for bootstrapped Amiga 3000's, but that's not likely to work. But, you should be able to kick the A1000 up to 2.05 with the KickTools.lha package from Aminet (util/misc).

08 October 2003, 09:38	#12
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	whats a Golem box precious??

08 October 2003, 14:15	#14
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	sofkicking gotta give it a try

14 October 2003, 10:41	#18
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	http://www.amiga-hardware.com/gokemmegabit.html nope mine looks a little different no piggyback slot either

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