Python for Amiga ?

macce2 · 14 April 2008, 12:39

Does it exist ?
I guess: no- .....?
Could it exist ? :-)

Shoonay · 14 April 2008, 12:42

This one?

macce2 · 14 April 2008, 12:51

@5h00n4y

Not that one!

Sure, I do mean the python programming language..
but I'll guess it would be practically impossible..

ppill · 14 April 2008, 14:55

2.0 version on Aminet.

OddbOd · 14 April 2008, 19:25

AmigaPython Homepage

It's actually linked at python.org but for some reason they have it listed under AROS, perhaps one of us should drop them a note and let them know that AmigaPython and PyAROS are for different platforms.

macce2 · 21 April 2008, 12:03

Fine!
I'm involved in an interesting business now..

Mungo · 26 April 2008, 00:44

Why bother?

It's shit on every platform. Why port a turd?

matthew · 26 April 2008, 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mungo

Why bother?

It's shit on every platform. Why port a turd?

13 July 2014, 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mungo

Why bother?

It's shit on every platform. Why port a turd?

Python is in the top ten most used programming languages in the world.

If this is the last version AmigaPyrhon for OS3.x, he is not on Aminet. This version is 2.3.3. Port is from year 2004. Here are the sites:

http://www.monkeyhouse.eclipse.co.uk/amiga/python/

Python is not good for the classic Amiga. For simple programs, but is sufficient.
Python need 2 MB RAM

.

Thorham · 13 July 2014, 10:00

I wonder how dog slow that's going to be

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisiak4

Python is in the top ten most used programming languages in the world.

So, that makes it good, then? I didn't know that how much something is used determined it's quality.

13 July 2014, 11:27

Thorham:It is difficult to assess the time about how Python is slower, if you understand it. I am an amateur programmer in Python and programs only in Python. One algorithm (convert text to a different character set in the range of 2000 lines) that my PC did in 0.6 seconds - the Amiga, if I remember correctly, I had set the A1200 performance done in 32 seconds. But it was PC vs. Amiga. I know that the speed penalty is extreme. He's also using Python under OS3.x at your own risk!

.

Here is a small sample of simple animation, first is unleashed under emulation without a speed penalty (A3000 would have already had too handle, A4000 absolutely no problems and then give power to the A1200). Text is Czech.

[ Show youtube player ]

Amiga was the best computer user, because it was and is a good computer. It is true that the quantity does not determine quality, but success did not come about Python completely without merit as Amiga.

Thorham · 13 July 2014, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisiak4

Thorham:It is difficult to assess the time about how Python is slower, if you understand it.

Python is slow for algorithms with tight loops. A good example would be performing gamma correction on a 24 bit BMP file. Then again, all interpreted languages are slow for this kind of thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisiak4

It is true that the quantity does not determine quality

That's all I was saying, namely that although Python might be good, it's not because of the number of users.

13 July 2014, 18:06

Python is not a good language for the Amiga. I'm never going to say anything else. I only play with it. Can I do a text game. Actually, I'm doing it already slowly. On the Amiga 1200 it will be a lot of slowly retro. The text in the game using the Workbench with proportional font. I have to deal with a carriage return to the position of the text itself. These are extra calculations and display the text on the bare Amiga is not the fastest. Needless to perform any gamma correction to 24 bit BMP file

.

AlfaRomeo · 03 November 2019, 15:50

Does anyone tried Amiga Python 2.4.6?

1st time I tried it worked great, 2nd time and others it gives me error importing OS module

jotd · 03 November 2019, 21:42

I tried it. And it worked. But 2.4 is just too old to be useful. But it's still better than pdksh or amiga shell. You can still open files, process them, write them.

Python is still useful but on Windows. I use it a lot for amiga reverse engineering & handling pictures, conversions... And I saw that Mcgeezer is also using it to prepare data for Rygar.

If you want to script something, use Windows. Don't throw python in a native amiga toolchain...

Bruce Abbott · 04 November 2019, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

But 2.4 is just too old to be useful.

10 years ago it was the current version, but now it's "too old to be useful"? In what way has the Amiga changed that Python 2.4 is no longer useful?

Perhaps the answer is:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mungo

It's shit

gimbal · 04 November 2019, 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Abbott

10 years ago it was the current version, but now it's "too old to be useful"?

The Python language and platform has changed and improved a lot since then. Nobody wants to go back to such an old version.

Anubis · 04 November 2019, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mungo

Why bother?

It's shit on every platform. Why port a turd?

Holly shit, how did we miss this ridiculous statement...

All those not so smart people at MIT, NASA, ESA... must be idiots who don't know better, like you do...

Gorf · 04 November 2019, 13:17

That is the problem with many programming languages, especially some of the "hip" ones:
They are a moving target.

Combined with the fact, that they are not really self-contained and rely often on bindings to other system libraries (and of course we do want a tight system integration!)

Python is by no means "shit". It is a beautiful language.
And with Cython it can be fast!

But it lacks system integration for AmigaOS and the constant development and changes make it very hard to adapt these things to a new environment.

Maybe MicroPhython would be a good candidate for a 3.x based AmigaPython...
https://micropython.org

An other approach would be "StacklessPython", that might be a good fit for Exec (with some adaptions):

https://github.com/stackless-dev/stackless/wiki

meynaf · 04 November 2019, 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

Holly shit, how did we miss this ridiculous statement...

It can be ridiculous and still be true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

All those not so smart people at MIT, NASA, ESA... must be idiots who don't know better, like you do...

They can be smart and still not be programmers, hence doing stupid things. F.e. I've seen code from NIST (who're not supposed to be a bunch of idiots) that really wasn't clever...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorf

Python is by no means "shit". It is a beautiful language.

If Python is shit, then 99% of programming languages in the world also are. Which is perfectly possible

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorf

And with Cython it can be fast!

If "fast" means "not crawling down to completely unusable speeds" then yes.

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Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	This one?

14 April 2008, 12:51	#3
macce2 Retro maniac Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Age: 49 Posts: 1,219	@5h00n4y Not that one! Sure, I do mean the python programming language.. but I'll guess it would be practically impossible..

14 April 2008, 14:55	#4
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	2.0 version on Aminet.

14 April 2008, 19:25	#5
OddbOd Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Age: 46 Posts: 666	AmigaPython Homepage It's actually linked at python.org but for some reason they have it listed under AROS, perhaps one of us should drop them a note and let them know that AmigaPython and PyAROS are for different platforms.

21 April 2008, 12:03	#6
macce2 Retro maniac Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Age: 49 Posts: 1,219	Fine! I'm involved in an interesting business now..

26 April 2008, 00:44	#7
Mungo ATX - For Fun Not Status Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 76	Why bother? It's shit on every platform. Why port a turd?

13 July 2014, 11:27	#11
Lisiak4 Posts: n/a	Thorham:It is difficult to assess the time about how Python is slower, if you understand it. I am an amateur programmer in Python and programs only in Python. One algorithm (convert text to a different character set in the range of 2000 lines) that my PC did in 0.6 seconds - the Amiga, if I remember correctly, I had set the A1200 performance done in 32 seconds. But it was PC vs. Amiga. I know that the speed penalty is extreme. He's also using Python under OS3.x at your own risk! . Here is a small sample of simple animation, first is unleashed under emulation without a speed penalty (A3000 would have already had too handle, A4000 absolutely no problems and then give power to the A1200). Text is Czech. [ Show youtube player ] Amiga was the best computer user, because it was and is a good computer. It is true that the quantity does not determine quality, but success did not come about Python completely without merit as Amiga.

13 July 2014, 18:06	#13
Lisiak4 Posts: n/a	Python is not a good language for the Amiga. I'm never going to say anything else. I only play with it. Can I do a text game. Actually, I'm doing it already slowly. On the Amiga 1200 it will be a lot of slowly retro. The text in the game using the Workbench with proportional font. I have to deal with a carriage return to the position of the text itself. These are extra calculations and display the text on the bare Amiga is not the fastest. Needless to perform any gamma correction to 24 bit BMP file .

03 November 2019, 15:50	#14
AlfaRomeo A1200 040 SAM440EP 667 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lisbon / Portugal Posts: 873	Does anyone tried Amiga Python 2.4.6? 1st time I tried it worked great, 2nd time and others it gives me error importing OS module

03 November 2019, 21:42	#15
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	I tried it. And it worked. But 2.4 is just too old to be useful. But it's still better than pdksh or amiga shell. You can still open files, process them, write them. Python is still useful but on Windows. I use it a lot for amiga reverse engineering & handling pictures, conversions... And I saw that Mcgeezer is also using it to prepare data for Rygar. If you want to script something, use Windows. Don't throw python in a native amiga toolchain...

04 November 2019, 13:17	#19
Gorf Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Munich/Bavaria Posts: 2,294	That is the problem with many programming languages, especially some of the "hip" ones: They are a moving target. Combined with the fact, that they are not really self-contained and rely often on bindings to other system libraries (and of course we do want a tight system integration!) Python is by no means "shit". It is a beautiful language. And with Cython it can be fast! But it lacks system integration for AmigaOS and the constant development and changes make it very hard to adapt these things to a new environment. Maybe MicroPhython would be a good candidate for a 3.x based AmigaPython... https://micropython.org An other approach would be "StacklessPython", that might be a good fit for Exec (with some adaptions): https://github.com/stackless-dev/stackless/wiki

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