Trouble trying to run NTSC mode

Shatterhand · 21 December 2015, 17:16

Thanks to this thread , I tried loading R-Type 2 through WHDLoad on NTSC mode, as it seems it makes the game smoother

But all I get is this error:

The message really makes no sense to me ("screen will be promoted" ? What does that mean?!?!). What can I do to make it work?

Thank you in advance.

Zack · 21 December 2015, 17:25

Do you have the NTSC monitor driver in DEVS:Monitors ? That is needed for WHDLoad.

Amiga1992 · 21 December 2015, 18:28

YEah you need that for it to work.
If it isn't there, move it from SYS:Storage/Monitors to Devs:Monitors

Shatterhand · 21 December 2015, 20:58

It is there, both pal and ntsc are on devs:monitors. Copied dblntsc and dblpal there just to be sure too,nstill getting same error.

Retro-Nerd · 21 December 2015, 21:17

Have you rebooted? It should work. There is no special trick.

Retro1234 · 21 December 2015, 21:20

He boots without S-S I cant quite remember as usual but for quick dirty type Devs:ntsc
devs:monitors/ntsc

Shatterhand · 21 December 2015, 21:25

Yeah, I am booting without startup-sequence. Tried booting with startup-sequence and loading the game from CLI using the same command, still same error. Tried typing Devs:monitors/ntsc before loading the game, still same error.

And yeah, I rebooted after copying the files to the devs:monitors folder.

Retro-Nerd · 21 December 2015, 21:27

What happens via WB game icon start? Mark the icon -> Icon informations -> enter NTSC as tooltype and save.

Retro1234 · 21 December 2015, 21:31

Have you kept the .info file of Ntsc
If you look in S-s it has something like List Devs:monitors blah blahblah and this initializes all the monitor things.

strange problem but I think you have to keep the icon.info and devs: must be devs:

R-N will sort you out.

Retro-Nerd · 21 December 2015, 21:32

btw: why do you load without "preload" tootype? Don't you have enough ram? Preload is essential for smooth loading.

Shatterhand · 21 December 2015, 21:38

The game loaded. Funnily enough, I see no difference, not even the music is speed-up as I thought it would be.

Also my 2nd button is magically working. I had loaded the game earlier today via CLI and the 2nd button wasn't working (like it doesn't work in nearly every WHDLoad game I try to load)

Shatterhand · 21 December 2015, 21:38

I have just 2mb of Chip Ram and nothing else.

Retro1234 · 21 December 2015, 21:40

R-Type 2 should be full screen and bit smoother in NTSC or was that R-type 1
R-type 2 is going off screen on my Pal Tv in Ntsc mode

Ntsc? has made a difference to second fire button?

Cool game with a bit of parallax.

Retro-Nerd · 21 December 2015, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shatterhand

The game loaded. Funnily enough, I see no difference, not even the music is speed-up as I thought it would be.

R-Type 2 isn't really full screen, the bottom should be cut since it's a PAL game. Anyway, it is indeed faster. Depending on your TV/monitor is switches to NTSC 60Hz or PAL-60Hz.

Shatterhand · 21 December 2015, 21:45

I don't think it was NTSC, but me loading the game from the icon instead of from CLI. I am pretty sure I've played R-Type 2 with 2 buttons working before, and when I tried earlier today, I was like "Why the hell the 2nd button isn't working? I am sure it worked before with R-Type 2!"

I haved turned it off now because I need to go out, but I don't think it was full screen at all. Later I'll run it with and without the NTSC tooltype on the icon to see the difference.

Retro1234 · 21 December 2015, 21:49

Yeah it is full screen in Pal anyway sorry and NTSC is cutting off the bottom was there a NTSC release of this game?

Retro-Nerd · 21 December 2015, 21:51

I don't think so. Both Amiga R-Type games are PAL only.

Retro1234 · 21 December 2015, 21:52

So theres no way of running R-type 2 in NTSC without cutting off the bottom of the screen - Poor ntsc countrys.

Yes but running R-type 1 in NTSC you get full screen no border at the bottom and smoother.

Retro-Nerd · 21 December 2015, 21:55

They had to buy PAL TVs/monitors for the full Amiga experience.

Quote:

Yes but running Rtype 1 in NTSC you get full screen no border at the bottom and smoother.

True, but only for PAL games with an extra big border. Mostly the bottom is cut.

Amiga1992 · 21 December 2015, 22:06

I get the same issue and I am not sure what it is, perhaps you just don't have enough memory.
As I told you times before, if you're really serious about using WHDLoad, it's about time you get more Fast RAM into that system.

21 December 2015, 17:16	#1
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Trouble trying to run NTSC mode Thanks to this thread , I tried loading R-Type 2 through WHDLoad on NTSC mode, as it seems it makes the game smoother But all I get is this error: The message really makes no sense to me ("screen will be promoted" ? What does that mean?!?!). What can I do to make it work? Thank you in advance.

21 December 2015, 21:20	#6
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	He boots without S-S I cant quite remember as usual but for quick dirty type Devs:ntsc devs:monitors/ntsc Last edited by Retro1234; 21 December 2015 at 21:27.

21 December 2015, 21:40	#13
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	R-Type 2 should be full screen and bit smoother in NTSC or was that R-type 1 R-type 2 is going off screen on my Pal Tv in Ntsc mode Ntsc? has made a difference to second fire button? Cool game with a bit of parallax. Last edited by Retro1234; 21 December 2015 at 21:46.

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21 December 2015, 17:25	#2
Zack Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Valby, Denmark Age: 47 Posts: 90	Do you have the NTSC monitor driver in DEVS:Monitors ? That is needed for WHDLoad.

21 December 2015, 18:28	#3
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	YEah you need that for it to work. If it isn't there, move it from SYS:Storage/Monitors to Devs:Monitors

21 December 2015, 20:58	#4
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	It is there, both pal and ntsc are on devs:monitors. Copied dblntsc and dblpal there just to be sure too,nstill getting same error.

21 December 2015, 21:17	#5
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	Have you rebooted? It should work. There is no special trick.

21 December 2015, 21:25	#7
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Yeah, I am booting without startup-sequence. Tried booting with startup-sequence and loading the game from CLI using the same command, still same error. Tried typing Devs:monitors/ntsc before loading the game, still same error. And yeah, I rebooted after copying the files to the devs:monitors folder.

21 December 2015, 21:27	#8
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	What happens via WB game icon start? Mark the icon -> Icon informations -> enter NTSC as tooltype and save.

21 December 2015, 21:31	#9
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Have you kept the .info file of Ntsc If you look in S-s it has something like List Devs:monitors blah blahblah and this initializes all the monitor things. strange problem but I think you have to keep the icon.info and devs: must be devs: R-N will sort you out.

21 December 2015, 21:32	#10
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	btw: why do you load without "preload" tootype? Don't you have enough ram? Preload is essential for smooth loading.

21 December 2015, 21:38	#11
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	The game loaded. Funnily enough, I see no difference, not even the music is speed-up as I thought it would be. Also my 2nd button is magically working. I had loaded the game earlier today via CLI and the 2nd button wasn't working (like it doesn't work in nearly every WHDLoad game I try to load)

21 December 2015, 21:45	#15
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	I don't think it was NTSC, but me loading the game from the icon instead of from CLI. I am pretty sure I've played R-Type 2 with 2 buttons working before, and when I tried earlier today, I was like "Why the hell the 2nd button isn't working? I am sure it worked before with R-Type 2!" I haved turned it off now because I need to go out, but I don't think it was full screen at all. Later I'll run it with and without the NTSC tooltype on the icon to see the difference.

21 December 2015, 21:49	#16
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Yeah it is full screen in Pal anyway sorry and NTSC is cutting off the bottom was there a NTSC release of this game?

21 December 2015, 21:51	#17
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	I don't think so. Both Amiga R-Type games are PAL only.

21 December 2015, 21:52	#18
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	So theres no way of running R-type 2 in NTSC without cutting off the bottom of the screen - Poor ntsc countrys. Yes but running R-type 1 in NTSC you get full screen no border at the bottom and smoother.

21 December 2015, 22:06	#20
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I get the same issue and I am not sure what it is, perhaps you just don't have enough memory. As I told you times before, if you're really serious about using WHDLoad, it's about time you get more Fast RAM into that system.

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