Rating system?

StarEye · 30 January 2006, 18:00

Wouldn't it be nice if we/you had a rating system on HOL? Like the abandonware site "Home of the Underdog" you could have a "rate this game" curtain where you could rate a game from 1-10? After a while, the rating would/could be pretty accurate, as more and more people vote.

BippyM · 30 January 2006, 18:03

or unaccurate as ppl vote 10 for their fave games and 1 for all the others..

This happened on LemonAmiga and resulted in some voters being banned (I think) and Kim having to remove their votes..

StarEye · 30 January 2006, 18:28

But if EVERYONE did that, then it'd be accurate and even itself out

I see the problem though, but it should be all up to the reader if he wants to believe the rating or not. As long as they have a counter on the rating, and maybe even a comments section, I'm sure it would be fine if given enough time.

scifi · 17 March 2006, 19:00

It should be very helpfull to express your opinion and rate the games.

The vote is something subjective from it's nature but I think that many people, especialy those that are new to Amiga World, can have an idea what was the expecations for every game that was released back then in order to become hits!

A short comment in a comments' section for the rating would be a spark for discussion

gizmomelb · 28 August 2006, 15:56

Why not have the review rating that the games were given by all the magazines?

And list the magazines too of course.. so you could have:

ACE - 80%
THE ONE - 90%
Amiga Format - 65%
etc.

Ultron · 28 August 2006, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarEye

Wouldn't it be nice if we/you had a rating system on HOL? Like the abandonware site "Home of the Underdog" you could have a "rate this game" curtain where you could rate a game from 1-10? After a while, the rating would/could be pretty accurate, as more and more people vote.

Was just wondering that the other day...

Then we could have best game per style... Action\Platform\Adventure\Racing.

Browsing in such a fashion may be easier for unkonwledgeable people about the Amiga. Giving them a top 5 or 10 about each style, a taste of what the Amiga could do.

There could even be rating per sound, gfx, playability. If people not knowing what was the best GFX or Sound available on the Amiga, they could easily following those top lists and ratings.

Ultron · 28 August 2006, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by gizmomelb

Why not have the review rating that the games were given by all the magazines?

And list the magazines too of course.. so you could have:

ACE - 80%
THE ONE - 90%
Amiga Format - 65%
etc.

That's a great idea too.

DrBong · 29 August 2006, 08:19

Yep, that is quite an interesting idea!

Marcuz · 29 August 2006, 10:47

i'm rethinking the idea, i don't think it is actually useful:
after years of polls here on the board, pretty much all of them with the same scope, you can easily see that there's no one game that has the same reception to all the fans. it is the base of democracy that people have the right to different opinion; so you go to votes and have, after them are accounted, results that not clearly states a thing or its contrary.

let's say you have a scale from 1 to 10, and the game is Lionhart, that for many is a masterwork and for many is utterly crap (check the thread about it).
the formers will vote 10, the latters will vote 3 (for the good graphics maybe). in the results you'll have a medium vote of 6,5. that makes lionhart a 6.5? no! it is actually a 10 or a 3 depending to you.
so if you are new to the amiga these results are misleading, and if you know the amiga scene just enough to manage the results and try nevertheless a game that's 6,5 because you have maybe heard good things about it etc, then you don't need the votation system in the first place. heck, you have a good board to check for impressions on a game anyway!
lastly there's the matter of competence and equanimity, as said by Bippym: in the magazine reviews you have votes along a big and lenghty commentary of the game, and you actually give it credit for the money you payed the magazine. that's the lenght of your trust anyway. maybe it's not always a good review too! but that's it, they are professionals at least. what's the use of an anonimous votation without much tought behind it?

killergorilla · 27 September 2006, 17:26

I still think we should have a ratings system, so what if the game doesn't reflect your personal taste, that's not the point of group voting. If many people vote, the idea is that people have a general idea of what to play. I find scores really helpful when first playing a new system or new games I might take a look into.

I'd love HOL to have a rating system. Yes, maybe you'll have to disallow new posters with below a certain post count, but I'd certainly put in the time to vote realistically for the games I've played. I also know for a fact there are a lot of people on EAB who would also vote sensibly.

You'd have to tie the membership system of EAB in to HOL though as HOL would need a way of knowing who's regged their vote and who hasn't.

Marcuz · 27 September 2006, 18:31

would you really play/try games based on a vote system on HOL? i would not. but that's me.

Anubis · 27 September 2006, 18:35

I second marco's opinion.

Just check what mess Gamespot rating is at the moment.

Some games have high rating as sensless kids voted for them, while some true classics have low rating thanks to unbiased user base.

Duke · 27 September 2006, 18:41

The HOL will have a rating system "soon" - however, it's not based on user votes.

killergorilla · 27 September 2006, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

would you really play/try games based on a vote system on HOL? i would not. but that's me.

Yes I would. I am constantly asking about games which I've never played before and simply going on screenshots is not always handy. (take Transplant for example).

Gamespot it pure ugly, slow... evil.

And you could rule out useless kid votes by limiting who can vote.

I'd love HOL to have it. That is all.

Marcuz · 27 September 2006, 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke

The HOL will have a rating system "soon" - however, it's not based on user votes.

well that kinda close the arguments from me, you fun spoiler

@KillerGorilla: check my reasons why it would be a bad idea to me: it's not a matter of unconscientious votes. my reason go along this way:
democracy is not a good system to find the truth, but it is a good system to rule a people.
for the fact that is (for the foreseeable future respect to a given point, in the immediate) a less punitive and more open way tu rule a nation, then it is needed as a governement rule. it is unavoidable to choose the less damaging of means in that particular case, when the goal is to be pursued at any cost (self preservation of a society) and the means are only the ones accountd (the various government forms).
differently, in the knowledge process, neither facts nor truth are pursued (i don't say found) by meaning of a democratic way. so to speak. i need to go out more.

killergorilla · 27 September 2006, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

well that kinda close the arguments from me, you fun spoiler

@KillerGorilla: check my reasons why it would be a bad idea to me: it's not a matter of unconscientious votes. my reason go along this way:
democracy is not a good system to find the truth, but it is a good system to rule a people.
for the fact that is (for the foreseeable future respect to a given point, in the immediate) a less punitive and more open way tu rule a nation, then it is needed as a governement rule. it is unavoidable to choose the less damaging of means in that particular case, when the goal is to be pursued at any cost (self preservation of a society) and the means are only the ones accountd (the various government forms).
differently, in the knowledge process, neither facts nor truth are pursued (i don't say found) by meaning of a democratic way. so to speak. i need to go out more.

Amiga games are fun.

Marcuz · 27 September 2006, 20:26

as i said, too work and no fun makes me silly.

scifi · 27 September 2006, 23:28

I agree with KG...

We have to trust HOL and EAB users/members (you, moderators define the criteria) as we have trust in them all these years!!!

A rating system reflects the general idea, it's not infalable, but to everyone of us who wants to have a first and quick contact with a game, helps a great deal.

I don't have much time to play every Amiga game...

A rating system will help me to avoid loosing time...
It's very natural to disagree with many of HOL members' opinions but when it comes to a personal position whatever they say, will not change it!
After all playing Amiga games is just fun!!

Legerdemain · 28 September 2006, 15:10

I would not mind a rating system... but depending on how the rating system works I would be more or less sceptical of the ratings.

I often use GameFAQ's reviews to get an idea of what people seem to think of a game in general. If the majority of the reviewers are giving out extremely high scores, to a certain game, I just tend to find those odd ones giving the game a really low score... by reading those 'few' low score reviews through, I think it is rather easy to see if people are giving the game low scores just for the heck of it (you can bet that every hyped game with mainly high scores will get two or three reviewers giving the game a really low score). If those reviews with really low scores seem to have some valid points... then I guess that I, aswell, will find the game lacking in certain areas.

To sum it up... I love ratings... but ratings themselves doesn't say much, according to me... but I wouldn't like to be without them on HOL, if they are to be introduced.

pbareges · 28 September 2006, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

well that kinda close the arguments from me, you fun spoiler

@KillerGorilla: check my reasons why it would be a bad idea to me: it's not a matter of unconscientious votes. my reason go along this way:
democracy is not a good system to find the truth, but it is a good system to rule a people.
for the fact that is (for the foreseeable future respect to a given point, in the immediate) a less punitive and more open way tu rule a nation, then it is needed as a governement rule. it is unavoidable to choose the less damaging of means in that particular case, when the goal is to be pursued at any cost (self preservation of a society) and the means are only the ones accountd (the various government forms).
differently, in the knowledge process, neither facts nor truth are pursued (i don't say found) by meaning of a democratic way. so to speak. i need to go out more.

hey marco you push your luck!! we're only talking about stats to give newbies somewhere to start....i really like lemonamiga ratings but we may improve it by compiling sub-areas ratings + instead of just building ratings based on average, we could consider ratings based on highest votes, other ones based on most controversial games (ie very large distribution of votes)...stats are just a tool, everything is in the amount of details you collect and the way you interpret it!

30 January 2006, 18:00	#1
StarEye Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Age: 46 Posts: 987	Rating system? Wouldn't it be nice if we/you had a rating system on HOL? Like the abandonware site "Home of the Underdog" you could have a "rate this game" curtain where you could rate a game from 1-10? After a while, the rating would/could be pretty accurate, as more and more people vote.

17 March 2006, 19:00	#4
scifi Resurrected... Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 50 Posts: 290	I agree... It should be very helpfull to express your opinion and rate the games. The vote is something subjective from it's nature but I think that many people, especialy those that are new to Amiga World, can have an idea what was the expecations for every game that was released back then in order to become hits! A short comment in a comments' section for the rating would be a spark for discussion

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30 January 2006, 18:03	#2
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	or unaccurate as ppl vote 10 for their fave games and 1 for all the others.. This happened on LemonAmiga and resulted in some voters being banned (I think) and Kim having to remove their votes..

30 January 2006, 18:28	#3
StarEye Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Age: 46 Posts: 987	But if EVERYONE did that, then it'd be accurate and even itself out I see the problem though, but it should be all up to the reader if he wants to believe the rating or not. As long as they have a counter on the rating, and maybe even a comments section, I'm sure it would be fine if given enough time.

28 August 2006, 15:56	#5
gizmomelb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: melbourne Age: 55 Posts: 541	Why not have the review rating that the games were given by all the magazines? And list the magazines too of course.. so you could have: ACE - 80% THE ONE - 90% Amiga Format - 65% etc.

29 August 2006, 08:19	#8
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 2,632	Yep, that is quite an interesting idea!

29 August 2006, 10:47	#9
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	i'm rethinking the idea, i don't think it is actually useful: after years of polls here on the board, pretty much all of them with the same scope, you can easily see that there's no one game that has the same reception to all the fans. it is the base of democracy that people have the right to different opinion; so you go to votes and have, after them are accounted, results that not clearly states a thing or its contrary. let's say you have a scale from 1 to 10, and the game is Lionhart, that for many is a masterwork and for many is utterly crap (check the thread about it). the formers will vote 10, the latters will vote 3 (for the good graphics maybe). in the results you'll have a medium vote of 6,5. that makes lionhart a 6.5? no! it is actually a 10 or a 3 depending to you. so if you are new to the amiga these results are misleading, and if you know the amiga scene just enough to manage the results and try nevertheless a game that's 6,5 because you have maybe heard good things about it etc, then you don't need the votation system in the first place. heck, you have a good board to check for impressions on a game anyway! lastly there's the matter of competence and equanimity, as said by Bippym: in the magazine reviews you have votes along a big and lenghty commentary of the game, and you actually give it credit for the money you payed the magazine. that's the lenght of your trust anyway. maybe it's not always a good review too! but that's it, they are professionals at least. what's the use of an anonimous votation without much tought behind it?

27 September 2006, 17:26	#10
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I still think we should have a ratings system, so what if the game doesn't reflect your personal taste, that's not the point of group voting. If many people vote, the idea is that people have a general idea of what to play. I find scores really helpful when first playing a new system or new games I might take a look into. I'd love HOL to have a rating system. Yes, maybe you'll have to disallow new posters with below a certain post count, but I'd certainly put in the time to vote realistically for the games I've played. I also know for a fact there are a lot of people on EAB who would also vote sensibly. You'd have to tie the membership system of EAB in to HOL though as HOL would need a way of knowing who's regged their vote and who hasn't.

27 September 2006, 18:31	#11
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	would you really play/try games based on a vote system on HOL? i would not. but that's me.

27 September 2006, 18:35	#12
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,061	I second marco's opinion. Just check what mess Gamespot rating is at the moment. Some games have high rating as sensless kids voted for them, while some true classics have low rating thanks to unbiased user base.

27 September 2006, 18:41	#13
Duke HOL-Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 520	The HOL will have a rating system "soon" - however, it's not based on user votes.

27 September 2006, 20:26	#17
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	as i said, too work and no fun makes me silly.

27 September 2006, 23:28	#18
scifi Resurrected... Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 50 Posts: 290	I agree with KG... We have to trust HOL and EAB users/members (you, moderators define the criteria) as we have trust in them all these years!!! A rating system reflects the general idea, it's not infalable, but to everyone of us who wants to have a first and quick contact with a game, helps a great deal. I don't have much time to play every Amiga game... A rating system will help me to avoid loosing time... It's very natural to disagree with many of HOL members' opinions but when it comes to a personal position whatever they say, will not change it! After all playing Amiga games is just fun!!

28 September 2006, 15:10	#19
Legerdemain Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Skåne / Sweden Posts: 259	I would not mind a rating system... but depending on how the rating system works I would be more or less sceptical of the ratings. I often use GameFAQ's reviews to get an idea of what people seem to think of a game in general. If the majority of the reviewers are giving out extremely high scores, to a certain game, I just tend to find those odd ones giving the game a really low score... by reading those 'few' low score reviews through, I think it is rather easy to see if people are giving the game low scores just for the heck of it (you can bet that every hyped game with mainly high scores will get two or three reviewers giving the game a really low score). If those reviews with really low scores seem to have some valid points... then I guess that I, aswell, will find the game lacking in certain areas. To sum it up... I love ratings... but ratings themselves doesn't say much, according to me... but I wouldn't like to be without them on HOL, if they are to be introduced.

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