Extra animations on certain games

[Seiya]

but A500, 68000 cpu + kick 2.04 (leaving ocs chipset, like you run relokick): it load clouds animation

[Total Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Seiya

but A500, 68000 cpu + kick 2.04 (leaving ocs chipset, like you run relokick): it load clouds animation

With my tests, I didn't go below Kickstart 2.04/05. I'll try and repeat your tests with a lower version.

[Seiya]

Originally Posted by Total Eclipse

With my tests, I didn't go below Kickstart 2.04/05. I'll try and repeat your tests with a lower version.

the strange thing:

A500 + Kick 1.3 + OCS + 68000: not load animation
A500 + kick 1.3 + OCS + 68020 : it load animation
A500 + kick 2.04 + OCS + 68000 : it load animation

there will be a connection among kickstart and processor. if you have old kickstart you must use 68020. If have newer kickstart you can use old processor.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by Seiya

A500 + kick 2.04 + OCS + 68000 : it load animation

Doesn't work for me.

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Ooooo The TCD has turned green

+1 congrats TCD for the green upgrade

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could the clouds thing be just a randomly thing?
like ie the Rocket Ranger randomly little changes that happens sometime?

what about ingame? some change noticed?

[Seiya]

i'd like to make a video, but doesn't work. i'm sure that i have checked config and the processor was 68000.

[TCD]

Maybe we could ask one of the coders here to have a look what the actual condition is. I'm still also hoping to get an answer from one of the coders of the game

[Seiya]

for winuae could be a bug.
i tried with WinUAE 4.2.1 and putting 2.04 and 68000 processor, it load clouds.
With WinUAE 4.10.1 with the same config not work.

for real amiga i don't know, but i think it is a kickstart issue

[TCD]

Originally Posted by Seiya

for winuae could be a bug.
i tried with WinUAE 4.2.1 and putting 2.04 and 68000 processor, it load clouds.
With WinUAE 4.10.1 with the same config not work.

Ah, that explains it then

Would be great if people could test it on real hardware (I guess a A500+ with added ram would match your config).

[Total Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Seiya

the strange thing:

A500 + Kick 1.3 + OCS + 68000: not load animation
A500 + kick 1.3 + OCS + 68020 : it load animation
A500 + kick 2.04 + OCS + 68000 : it load animation

there will be a connection among kickstart and processor. if you have old kickstart you must use 68020. If have newer kickstart you can use old processor.

I've done a few more tests using MiST, and can't reproduce the same results as you're getting.

In all cases with a 68000, providing I have both Chip and Fast RAM available (testing with 1MB Chip, 2MB Fast) then I get clouds. This is the case with OCS and ECS chipsets, and with K/S 1.3 and 2.05.

Repeating those tests without Fast RAM, or with Slow RAM instead, and I get no clouds.

[Seiya]

Originally Posted by Total Eclipse

Repeating those tests without Fast RAM, or with Slow RAM instead, and I get no clouds.

maybe it could be a thing that depends from kickstart and amount of RAM (chip, fast and slow fast).

[gimbal]

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Ooooo The TCD has turned green

Once a rookie, always a rookie.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by TCD

Ah, that explains it then

Would be great if people could test it on real hardware (I guess a A500+ with added ram would match your config).

Yeah, didn't work for me either.



It would be intereasting to know what the dependencies are, kickstart and CPU, memory and kickstart and so on.


Based on some of the tests above, then it's not a matter of CPU anymore...

[Seiya]

i made another test with WinUAE.

Amiga 500 from floppy disk (kick 1.3, 512k +512k) it load the clouds animation like i remember me many years ago on real Amiga 500.
It's a bug of WinUAE. With 4.2.1 working good!!

[Fenris]

So now the question remains, what about real HW?

[Superman]

My real A500 with 512k chip 512k slow kickstart 1.3 definitely has no clouds. I used the same ADF on WinUAE with the same config and its the same with no clouds.

[TCD]

Brad Taylor answered me this about other games that have added features: "I think in MI2 there was a boat hull in foreground (by the bridge in Woodtick) that got disabled because of performance."

Maybe the graphics for it are still in the game?

I guess we need a coder to actually figure out what the condition for the extra clouds is.

[Retro1234]

Someone did write about it here before on EAB but I can't find the thread.

P.S Monkey Island Rulez

[Seiya]

i remember, at least, i think to remember that there are the clouds when i tried on old A500 with 1 MB of memory.

WinUAE should the be key to this mistery: old WinUAE load clouds on stock A500 (wtih 1 MB for floppy version), but new version of emulator add the clouds only with 68020 cpu.

maybe a video on youtube registered from real Amiga could be explain this little mystery, but on youtube is difficult to know if Amiga video are from real hardware or emulation.