Player MOD, MED For Windows - Page 2

meynaf · 13 August 2016, 10:17

The best is still DeliPlayer, and it will remain so until someone takes a similar approach.

I'm currently writing a player on the Amiga. If someone is able to make a windows app with a player GUI and a decent 68k JIT, it could use my replayers and we'd end up with Delitracker's level of accuracy, perhaps even better.

ptyerman · 13 August 2016, 12:12

What would be better is a program that uses Delitrackers/Deliplayers/Eagleplayer replayers.
Why use someone else's replayers or even create different ones when the best are already available?

AMIGASYSTEM · 13 August 2016, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by meynaf

I'm currently writing a player on the Amiga.

Thank you meynaf, something new was needed, maybe some nice GUI (Skin interchangeable) compatible with high RTG screens resolutions.

meynaf · 13 August 2016, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptyerman

What would be better is a program that uses Delitrackers/Deliplayers/Eagleplayer replayers.

It already exists and is called UADE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptyerman

Why use someone else's replayers or even create different ones when the best are already available?

Because DT is too limited (no 16 bit support in note players, no integrated buffering system for streamed audio, etc) and is too low level (players often do direct hardware/system access and these involve too much emulation).

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Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Thank you meynaf, something new was needed, maybe some nice GUI (Skin interchangeable) compatible with high RTG screens resolutions.

For now i don't have a GUI ; only a simple, unfinished command-line player. So a good GUI is welcome.
The goal isn't only playing MOD/MED with the best accuracy, but also Flac, OGG, etc.

ptyerman · 13 August 2016, 12:57

I'm not on about Delitracker or the Amiga side of it at all. But for Windows it all exists already except for a compatible GUI which works, which is what you commented about.
UADE doesn't natively run in Windows so no idea what your on about there.
In Windows I run WinUAE minimized and in Linux I just use Deliplayer through Wine, works a treat. Or for normal tracker type modules, Audacious.

meynaf · 13 August 2016, 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptyerman

I'm not on about Delitracker or the Amiga side of it at all. But for Windows it all exists already except for a compatible GUI which works, which is what you commented about.

DeliPlayer can use DeliTracker replayers so there IS a compatible GUI that works.
My point is just about making a player that would run on both systems.

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Originally Posted by ptyerman

UADE doesn't natively run in Windows so no idea what your on about there.

Some windows programs such as BZRPlayer use it (among other libs).

ptyerman · 13 August 2016, 14:10

Your splitting hairs now for the sake of it, Deliplayer does not work on Windows after XP, at least not properly.
Anyway I'll leave it at that, your totally in your right to develop what you want, no contest.
Just that when you suggested a Windows GUI, it would be nice to have a replacement for Deliplayer, it already has the most replayers there is and could play just about anything. It would make sense to re-use those replayers in a GUI that worked on new Windows versions after XP.

meynaf · 13 August 2016, 15:02

Well, ok, Deliplayer isn't exactly the best solution, even though a guy here apparently made it work on win10.

Of course it would be nice to have a replacement, but in case you didn't know it's closed source and if they changed something in comparison to old DT it's not documented anywhere !

Zetr0 · 13 August 2016, 15:40

On the PC I use a combination of ModPlugTracker and Med Sound Studio - does everything I want it too.... all I need is a good 808 synth on the PC...

Now that I come to think of it, there used to be a program on the Amiga, that would "render" a "sound sample" from a set up of envelopes and notes based around the 808 if memory serves - I just cannot remember the name.... rombler sounds familiar but I have never been able to find it... I think it may of came from an AmigaFormat CD - I would love to find this program again - in fact I am going to put up a request.

Axxy · 13 August 2016, 15:55

Deliplayer wasn't quite working properly even on Win7 (compatibility mode), haven't tried on Win10 yet. Was it running adequately on Win10?

I currently use XMPlay to play everything at the moment, I just wish it would use skins like Winamp did, some windows look too small on high res displays...

I use Modplayer (still) and BRZPlayer, Milky & OpenMPT (plus Saga's Mod Library program)... I'm more interested in "tracker" modules rather than all the exotic formats tbh.

I just wish Windows had a decent all round replayer, bit like Winamp for modules...

AMIGASYSTEM · 13 August 2016, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by meynaf

If someone is able to make a windows app with a player GUI and a decent 68k JIT, it could use my replayers and we'd end up with Delitracker's level of accuracy, perhaps even better.

It would be interesting to get your Player also AROS, fI did a little 'test on my ICAROS and opens there are no players that support the file MED, seek clarification on aros-exec, the Player Mod tested are those in the screenshot

22 August 2016, 02:08

Not exactly for Windows but you might want to give FLOD a try...
http://www.neoartcr.com/

Cheers
Chris

MagikGimp · 12 March 2018, 02:06

I've been thinking about this thread for the last week or so, and now I'm thinking of bringing it back to the top of the board (sorry mods!)

I wanted to make a few suggestions -- there's quite a surprisingly wide choice of software out there to find if you look -- but each was letting me down on some detail. XMPlay is my personal goto but it relies on plug-ins that fall outdated and there are some other gripes I have with it that I won't go into now. And then I came across ZXtune (https://zxtune.bitbucket.io/) again while spring-cleaning my computer ready for a backup. And is there nothing it can't play? OK, I know there are some module types it can't do (not sure which specifically) and then there's SNDH files too, but then nothing bloody plays that wonderful format (neglect!

), but other than that...? I haven't done anywhere near thorough testing. But I plan to! I'll perhaps keep you all updated if there's still interest. Or providing I don't get banned for bumping old threads (and my avatar!)

MagikGimp · 12 March 2018, 02:21

Ah, it doesn't play all MED files accurately, but at least it does play them. DeliPlayer is still the only thing I can find that does but it's a pain to get working and not have interfere with modern Windows. And that doesn't play certain other formats correctly either. Unless you need to tweak settings I don't know about? If it doesn't have the damnedest most complicated interface to navigate to do so of any software ever, I'd like to see worse!

AmigaBoy · 12 March 2018, 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagikGimp

Ah, it doesn't play all MED files accurately, but at least it does play them. DeliPlayer is still the only thing I can find that does but it's a pain to get working and not have interfere with modern Windows. And that doesn't play certain other formats correctly either. Unless you need to tweak settings I don't know about? If it doesn't have the damnedest most complicated interface to navigate to do so of any software ever, I'd like to see worse!

I'm not an audio guy so I don't know what works and what doesn't, but shouldn't UADE theoretically play everything accurately since it uses UAE at its core? I just tried the Windows binary from http://zakalwe.fi/uade/download.html and the few MODs and MEDs that I tried worked fine.

meynaf · 12 March 2018, 07:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaBoy

I'm not an audio guy so I don't know what works and what doesn't, but shouldn't UADE theoretically play everything accurately since it uses UAE at its core? I just tried the Windows binary from http://zakalwe.fi/uade/download.html and the few MODs and MEDs that I tried worked fine.

In theory, yes. In practice, even amiga players are sometimes outdated and uade itself does not seem actively maintained...

chip · 12 March 2018, 07:58

The last version of EaglePlayer is dated 2016-11-23

So, it should be updated enough to play correctly all the MOD/MED files around ..... or not ?

Vousti · 12 March 2018, 08:00

I use VLC for MODs. Accuracy my ass.

meynaf · 12 March 2018, 08:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by chip

The last version of EaglePlayer is dated 2016-11-23

So, it should be updated enough to play correctly all the MOD/MED files around ..... or not ?

Normally, yes. But iirc it has internal player for mods that cannot be transferred over to uade...

chip · 12 March 2018, 08:21

So, it's better a player which relies on external players ?

22 August 2016, 02:08	#32
chris70c Posts: n/a	Flod Not exactly for Windows but you might want to give FLOD a try... http://www.neoartcr.com/ Cheers Chris

12 March 2018, 02:06	#33
MagikGimp Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Neath / Wales Age: 41 Posts: 68	ZXtune I've been thinking about this thread for the last week or so, and now I'm thinking of bringing it back to the top of the board (sorry mods!) I wanted to make a few suggestions -- there's quite a surprisingly wide choice of software out there to find if you look -- but each was letting me down on some detail. XMPlay is my personal goto but it relies on plug-ins that fall outdated and there are some other gripes I have with it that I won't go into now. And then I came across ZXtune (https://zxtune.bitbucket.io/) again while spring-cleaning my computer ready for a backup. And is there nothing it can't play? OK, I know there are some module types it can't do (not sure which specifically) and then there's SNDH files too, but then nothing bloody plays that wonderful format (neglect!), but other than that...? I haven't done anywhere near thorough testing. But I plan to! I'll perhaps keep you all updated if there's still interest. Or providing I don't get banned for bumping old threads (and my avatar!)

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13 August 2016, 10:17	#21
meynaf son of 68k Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lyon / France Age: 51 Posts: 5,323	The best is still DeliPlayer, and it will remain so until someone takes a similar approach. I'm currently writing a player on the Amiga. If someone is able to make a windows app with a player GUI and a decent 68k JIT, it could use my replayers and we'd end up with Delitracker's level of accuracy, perhaps even better.

13 August 2016, 12:12	#22
ptyerman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Worksop/UK Age: 59 Posts: 1,328	What would be better is a program that uses Delitrackers/Deliplayers/Eagleplayer replayers. Why use someone else's replayers or even create different ones when the best are already available?

13 August 2016, 12:57	#25
ptyerman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Worksop/UK Age: 59 Posts: 1,328	I'm not on about Delitracker or the Amiga side of it at all. But for Windows it all exists already except for a compatible GUI which works, which is what you commented about. UADE doesn't natively run in Windows so no idea what your on about there. In Windows I run WinUAE minimized and in Linux I just use Deliplayer through Wine, works a treat. Or for normal tracker type modules, Audacious.

13 August 2016, 14:10	#27
ptyerman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Worksop/UK Age: 59 Posts: 1,328	Your splitting hairs now for the sake of it, Deliplayer does not work on Windows after XP, at least not properly. Anyway I'll leave it at that, your totally in your right to develop what you want, no contest. Just that when you suggested a Windows GUI, it would be nice to have a replacement for Deliplayer, it already has the most replayers there is and could play just about anything. It would make sense to re-use those replayers in a GUI that worked on new Windows versions after XP.

13 August 2016, 15:02	#28
meynaf son of 68k Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lyon / France Age: 51 Posts: 5,323	Well, ok, Deliplayer isn't exactly the best solution, even though a guy here apparently made it work on win10. Of course it would be nice to have a replacement, but in case you didn't know it's closed source and if they changed something in comparison to old DT it's not documented anywhere !

13 August 2016, 15:40	#29
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	On the PC I use a combination of ModPlugTracker and Med Sound Studio - does everything I want it too.... all I need is a good 808 synth on the PC... Now that I come to think of it, there used to be a program on the Amiga, that would "render" a "sound sample" from a set up of envelopes and notes based around the 808 if memory serves - I just cannot remember the name.... rombler sounds familiar but I have never been able to find it... I think it may of came from an AmigaFormat CD - I would love to find this program again - in fact I am going to put up a request.

13 August 2016, 15:55	#30
Axxy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Age: 61 Posts: 168	Deliplayer wasn't quite working properly even on Win7 (compatibility mode), haven't tried on Win10 yet. Was it running adequately on Win10? I currently use XMPlay to play everything at the moment, I just wish it would use skins like Winamp did, some windows look too small on high res displays... I use Modplayer (still) and BRZPlayer, Milky & OpenMPT (plus Saga's Mod Library program)... I'm more interested in "tracker" modules rather than all the exotic formats tbh. I just wish Windows had a decent all round replayer, bit like Winamp for modules...

12 March 2018, 02:21	#34
MagikGimp Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Neath / Wales Age: 41 Posts: 68	Ah, it doesn't play all MED files accurately, but at least it does play them. DeliPlayer is still the only thing I can find that does but it's a pain to get working and not have interfere with modern Windows. And that doesn't play certain other formats correctly either. Unless you need to tweak settings I don't know about? If it doesn't have the damnedest most complicated interface to navigate to do so of any software ever, I'd like to see worse!

12 March 2018, 07:58	#37
chip Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Italy Age: 49 Posts: 2,942	The last version of EaglePlayer is dated 2016-11-23 So, it should be updated enough to play correctly all the MOD/MED files around ..... or not ?

12 March 2018, 08:00	#38
Vousti Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Finland Posts: 36	I use VLC for MODs. Accuracy my ass.

12 March 2018, 08:21	#40
chip Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Italy Age: 49 Posts: 2,942	So, it's better a player which relies on external players ?

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