Worst Amiga model ever - Page 3

abraXXious · 15 July 2011, 02:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by rare_j

Voted for cd32. Looked rubbish, tired and irrelevent from day 1.

Dont like to put the boot into any amiga... But this was Horrible!
Puts me in mind of the amstrad gx4000.

Have to agree to an extent, the case design looked like a fishing tackle box.

Minuous · 15 July 2011, 03:37

Absolutely the A2000 was the worst.
It cost at least a thousand bucks more and the only difference was a few Zorro slots, what a rip off.
The A500+ was rather misguided too, that would be my second choice.

abraXXious · 15 July 2011, 03:56

Perhaps we should divide answers between the two different interpretations of the question. That is:

[1] - The worst Amiga at the time of release/production.
[2] - The worst Amiga to own now.

In answer to [1] I would say A600/a500+.
In answer to [2] I would say a500 without a doubt.

Even though the a2k might have been expensive in the day, they can be obtained cheaply now and make a nice base on which to expand.

For instance, one of my a2ks is an 060/60 (tekmagic) with Spectrum 28/24 2mb, 128mb fast, 2mb chip on board using the rev 6 2mb chip hack (not an agnus plug in board like the Megachip), Tocatta Sound card, Deneb USB, DVDrom (scsi), indivision ECS, custom KS 3.9 roms/OS 3.9, 73GB 15000rpm HD and it is truly a beast.

Gordon · 15 July 2011, 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraXXious

But the a500 has no ecs as standard, only ks 1.x, no zorro slots, all expansions have to be external (and untidy) and it is already a large desk covering wedge of beige. It has no ide or scsi as standard, no pcm cia... it does not even have the nice case design or collectability of the a1000.

Sorry IMO i dont think anyone can say A500 is the worst ever. I like you, didnt like the design much, but the technology at release was way ahead of its time. It was the amiga that put it on the map. All the expansion you mentioned were not feasible at that time with the purpose of making an AFFORDABLE computer for users in 1986 when they were designing them.

A500 is not the best Amiga but its the most important.

deicidal · 15 July 2011, 10:05

Also I dont think the a500 is the worst model available now either, you can pick one up for bugger all and its the most software compatable amiga. If you have a limited budget then i'd say it was the one to go for if you dont mind using floppy's which some people on here seem to prefer.

Lord Aga · 15 July 2011, 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

I've always thought the PCMCIA shared the same bus as the chipmem, and that any RAM there would effectively turn into slowmem.

While this is certainly true for the mighty A1200 (gets a bit slower with PCMCIA RAM), I think that A600 actually benefits from a little speed boost if some PCMCIA RAM is added.

I need to ask Cammy to vouch for this

As I only have 2MB chip in my A600. Can't seem to manage to grab one of those little PCMCIA cards...

TCD · 15 July 2011, 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraXXious

But the a500 has no ecs as standard, only ks 1.x, no zorro slots, all expansions have to be external (and untidy) and it is already a large desk covering wedge of beige. It has no ide or scsi as standard, no pcm cia... it does not even have the nice case design or collectability of the a1000.

Yet it is the Amiga that made 'the Amiga' what it is. Without that model most of us wouldn't be here today.

roy bates · 15 July 2011, 10:15

cant vote because theres more than one.i love the amiga but here goes:

cd32: for being pitted against consoles and being underpowered
cdtv: multimedia machine and being underpowered(nearly all amigas can take a cd drive)
A600: for replacing the the A500-A500+ and not putting a numpad on it? and being underpowered i.e the A600 should of had a 020 the A1200 an 030.

and well as for the A500 not having a zorro slot it did actaully have one on the left side (the signals where there for one)albeit with a hack.

FOL · 15 July 2011, 10:20

Bah, your all nuts.
Any Amiga is a thing of beauty.

All them chips, smd components and ermmmmm..........
Enought of that,

.

1time · 15 July 2011, 11:38

They should have stayed in the computer business, CD32 and CDTV was overpriced and useless.

And how can anyone rate A1200 as the worst Amiga ever? Okey it was not as good as we all hoped it would be, but it sure is the best Amiga ever created with A4000 right around the corner. And dont give me that IDE sux speech, SCSI was to expensive to survive the private market.

deicidal · 15 July 2011, 11:41

Dont get me wrong the a600 did have some nice features, it was small, easy to shove a hdd in and the pcmcia slot. It was always to me though the pointless model for that bit extra you could get the a1200 which just pissed on it from a great height. But after saying that my most recent amiga acquisition is in fact the a600.

FOL · 15 July 2011, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by deicidal

Dont get me wrong the a600 did have some nice features, it was small, easy to shove a hdd in and the pcmcia slot. It was always to me though the pointless model for that bit extra you could get the a1200 which just pissed on it from a great height. But after saying that my most recent amiga acquisition is in fact the a600.

The A1200 wasnt out when I got my A600, or I would of had one.
I didnt even know the A1200 existed, soon after I got my A600, my dad closed his computer shop,

.
So seeing new Amiga models being demo'ed ended for me,

.

I think any Amiga hardware is great. As you still get the great simplistic user interaction. Takes me back to being a kid.
I would even go as far as saying my favorite OS is 1.3.

deicidal · 15 July 2011, 12:21

Well at the time of the a600 I had an ks1.3 2mb ecs a500 so the a600 seemed like a pointless upgrade. I did want to get the a1200 but just didnt have the spare money as I needed to go down the PC path with College and Uni.

Peter · 15 July 2011, 12:52

Also voted for CD32 - I thought it was a compete let down at the time.
Playing the terrible CD32 version of Sensible Soccer with that awful controller still gives me nightmares!

The A600 is a close second... although I like the size of it, for years it was virtually impossible to expand.

Long live the A1200! Best Amiga ever!

Heavy Stylus · 15 July 2011, 13:27

Well, I cannot downvote the CD32 as it is the only Amiga I own these days

In comparison to the other CD-based consoles at the time (CDi, MegaCD, Jaguar) the CD32 actually performed quite well in the market, shifting something like 100,000 units over a period of a few months. They would have sold more, but if you remember, the problems C= were having at the time meant that they couldn't actually make enough consoles to meet demand. And then they went backrupt.

Having said that, they should have added and expansion port for proper upgrades (RAM, etc). It was basically an A1200 in a different case, so I don't understand why they removed the option to upgrade it. It even works with Amiga keyboards!

Bonus these days of having a CD32 is that copying games and making new game CDs is a breeze, and the s-video port makes connecting it to a TV easy too.

I still love the ugly little piece of trash anyway

CaptainNow · 15 July 2011, 13:34

I voted for the CD32, personally I didn't like anything about it, they would've been better investing the development money on other things. That controller...*shudders*.....so ugly.

Heavy Stylus · 15 July 2011, 13:39

Yeah, the CD32 controller was shit, but the competition pro version fixed that

It's a crying shame that no-one ever actually wrote games that used the CD32 hardware properly. Every game was basically a direct port with a CD audio soundtrack. I would love to see a tech demo showing the capabilities of the Akiko chip.

FOL · 15 July 2011, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavy Stylus

Yeah, the CD32 controller was shit, but the competition pro version fixed that

It's a crying shame that no-one ever actually wrote games that used the CD32 hardware properly. Every game was basically a direct port with a CD audio soundtrack. I would love to see a tech demo showing the capabilities of the Akiko chip.

You think CD32 Controller was bad?
I thought it was awesome, it done everything it said on the tin,

.

Gordon · 15 July 2011, 13:44

The CD32 is beautiful!! Say what you want about its performance or its point, but come on its wonderfully crafted. Its like saying Kelly Brooke is ugly.

Skope · 15 July 2011, 13:50

Actually yes I quite like the CD32, both looks wise and for what's in it. I may be considered crazy but that was one (modest) step in the right direction for the miggy imo.

View Poll Results: Worst Amiga model ever
A1000	13	3.55%
A500	6	1.64%
A500+	53	14.48%
A600	93	25.41%
A2000	10	2.73%
A3000 (desktop)	3	0.82%
A4000 (desktop)	5	1.37%
A1200	4	1.09%
A3000 (tower)	0	0%
A4000 (tower)	3	0.82%
Odd numbers (A1500, A2500)	28	7.65%
CD32	34	9.29%
CDTV	50	13.66%
None, they are all perfect	64	17.49%
Voters: 366. You may not vote on this poll

15 July 2011, 10:15	#48
roy bates Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: birmingham Age: 55 Posts: 2,827	cant vote because theres more than one.i love the amiga but here goes: cd32: for being pitted against consoles and being underpowered cdtv: multimedia machine and being underpowered(nearly all amigas can take a cd drive) A600: for replacing the the A500-A500+ and not putting a numpad on it? and being underpowered i.e the A600 should of had a 020 the A1200 an 030. and well as for the A500 not having a zorro slot it did actaully have one on the left side (the signals where there for one)albeit with a hack. Last edited by roy bates; 15 July 2011 at 10:27.

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15 July 2011, 03:37	#42
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,631	Absolutely the A2000 was the worst. It cost at least a thousand bucks more and the only difference was a few Zorro slots, what a rip off. The A500+ was rather misguided too, that would be my second choice.

15 July 2011, 03:56	#43
abraXXious Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mount Isa / Australia Posts: 48	Perhaps we should divide answers between the two different interpretations of the question. That is: [1] - The worst Amiga at the time of release/production. [2] - The worst Amiga to own now. In answer to [1] I would say A600/a500+. In answer to [2] I would say a500 without a doubt. Even though the a2k might have been expensive in the day, they can be obtained cheaply now and make a nice base on which to expand. For instance, one of my a2ks is an 060/60 (tekmagic) with Spectrum 28/24 2mb, 128mb fast, 2mb chip on board using the rev 6 2mb chip hack (not an agnus plug in board like the Megachip), Tocatta Sound card, Deneb USB, DVDrom (scsi), indivision ECS, custom KS 3.9 roms/OS 3.9, 73GB 15000rpm HD and it is truly a beast.

15 July 2011, 10:05	#45
deicidal Registered Insane Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ununited Kingdom Posts: 792	Also I dont think the a500 is the worst model available now either, you can pick one up for bugger all and its the most software compatable amiga. If you have a limited budget then i'd say it was the one to go for if you dont mind using floppy's which some people on here seem to prefer.

15 July 2011, 10:20	#49
FOL PSPUAE DEV Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wales / UK Age: 45 Posts: 5,999	Bah, your all nuts. Any Amiga is a thing of beauty. All them chips, smd components and ermmmmm.......... Enought of that, .

15 July 2011, 11:38	#50
1time Amiga Lover Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Stockholm / Sweden Age: 46 Posts: 612	They should have stayed in the computer business, CD32 and CDTV was overpriced and useless. And how can anyone rate A1200 as the worst Amiga ever? Okey it was not as good as we all hoped it would be, but it sure is the best Amiga ever created with A4000 right around the corner. And dont give me that IDE sux speech, SCSI was to expensive to survive the private market.

15 July 2011, 11:41	#51
deicidal Registered Insane Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ununited Kingdom Posts: 792	Dont get me wrong the a600 did have some nice features, it was small, easy to shove a hdd in and the pcmcia slot. It was always to me though the pointless model for that bit extra you could get the a1200 which just pissed on it from a great height. But after saying that my most recent amiga acquisition is in fact the a600.

15 July 2011, 12:21	#53
deicidal Registered Insane Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ununited Kingdom Posts: 792	Well at the time of the a600 I had an ks1.3 2mb ecs a500 so the a600 seemed like a pointless upgrade. I did want to get the a1200 but just didnt have the spare money as I needed to go down the PC path with College and Uni.

15 July 2011, 12:52	#54
Peter Still an Amiga user Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kent Age: 55 Posts: 2,715	Also voted for CD32 - I thought it was a compete let down at the time. Playing the terrible CD32 version of Sensible Soccer with that awful controller still gives me nightmares! The A600 is a close second... although I like the size of it, for years it was virtually impossible to expand. Long live the A1200! Best Amiga ever!

15 July 2011, 13:27	#55
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	Well, I cannot downvote the CD32 as it is the only Amiga I own these days In comparison to the other CD-based consoles at the time (CDi, MegaCD, Jaguar) the CD32 actually performed quite well in the market, shifting something like 100,000 units over a period of a few months. They would have sold more, but if you remember, the problems C= were having at the time meant that they couldn't actually make enough consoles to meet demand. And then they went backrupt. Having said that, they should have added and expansion port for proper upgrades (RAM, etc). It was basically an A1200 in a different case, so I don't understand why they removed the option to upgrade it. It even works with Amiga keyboards! Bonus these days of having a CD32 is that copying games and making new game CDs is a breeze, and the s-video port makes connecting it to a TV easy too. I still love the ugly little piece of trash anyway

15 July 2011, 13:34	#56
CaptainNow Eleventh Hour Games Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Carnforth, England Age: 49 Posts: 558	I voted for the CD32, personally I didn't like anything about it, they would've been better investing the development money on other things. That controller...shudders.....so ugly.

15 July 2011, 13:39	#57
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	Yeah, the CD32 controller was shit, but the competition pro version fixed that It's a crying shame that no-one ever actually wrote games that used the CD32 hardware properly. Every game was basically a direct port with a CD audio soundtrack. I would love to see a tech demo showing the capabilities of the Akiko chip.

15 July 2011, 13:44	#59
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	The CD32 is beautiful!! Say what you want about its performance or its point, but come on its wonderfully crafted. Its like saying Kelly Brooke is ugly.

15 July 2011, 13:50	#60
Skope Protracker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 8364 Posts: 381	Actually yes I quite like the CD32, both looks wise and for what's in it. I may be considered crazy but that was one (modest) step in the right direction for the miggy imo.

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