Will we ever be playing Wipeout 2097 on WinUAE as smooth as a Sega Saturn?

ImmortalA1000 · 12 February 2013, 01:22

Wouldn't it be great if you could play one of your favourit next gen (for the time) consoles on your trusty old Amiga 1200 WITHOUT having to fork out the price of a used Porsche 944 on an accelerator and 3D graphics card?

Will we ever be able to save that cash and do it via emulation in the case of Wipeout 2097?

TCD · 12 February 2013, 08:37

What about 'cutting the middle man' : http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/sho...ndows-7-64-bit ?

thellier · 12 February 2013, 09:59

Hello

Give a Try to FPSE (playstation emulator) + gpuw3d plugin + Wazp3D (renderer:hard) + WinUAE

It may works as there are several 3D games that already works with this config :-)
http://thellier.free.fr/soulblade-sigfried-sophitia.png

Alain Thellier - Wazp3D

rare_j · 12 February 2013, 21:58

Dont be ridiculous. We need at least three emulation layers, preferably on three different CPUs to do the job properly.

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

What about 'cutting the middle man' : http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/sho...ndows-7-64-bit ?

TCD · 12 February 2013, 22:05

Dammit, you're right... sorry 'bout that

rare_j · 12 February 2013, 23:34

Apologies I couldn't resist!

On a less flippant note, I found a version of PCSXr recently that puts PS1 games into proper widescreen. R4 is amazing in high res widescreen, perhaps the thread starter could give it a try with Wipeout.

TCD · 12 February 2013, 23:38

No worries

I think it's time to mention that there's currently no interest to implement PPC in WinUAE. I'd also suggest to try both the PC and the PSX version via emulation

Minuous · 13 February 2013, 18:06

The various ports aren't equivalent though. IIRC the Amiga port has various enhancements such as fogging which aren't present in the other versions.

fishyfish · 21 February 2013, 15:36

Yeah, Id recommend just running the playstation version in FPSE. Works great. Although it doesnt hurt, there's no need for warp3d/wazp3d. I used to play it a bit with FPSE on my Amithlon box.
While still not bad the amiga version (which is a slighty inferior port of pc version) isnt as good as playstation version anyway.
There's an often heard argument that the graphics are better on the amiga version, but I think its an acquired taste. Theyre maybe not quite as chunky, but theyre much blurrier as well (w3d image quality leaves a bit to be desired).

As for the question in the thread title, no. But you can run it smoother

Saturn version is good still, but drops a few frames compared to what can be done under Winuae using hardware acceleration.

Lonewolf10 · 21 February 2013, 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishyfish

Saturn version is good still, but drops a few frames compared to what can be done under Winuae using hardware acceleration.

Yeah, but does it have the same cool in-house soundtrack that's only available on the Saturn versions of Wip3out and Wipeout 2097? I own both

The latter game is much easier for newbies to pick up. It took me weeks to master the tracks on Wip3out.

ImmortalA1000 · 06 July 2018, 16:34

Haha I actually meant playing the Blittersoft Amiga PPC release in Sega Saturn quality without buying a PPC accelerator and 3D accelerator for still the price of a Porsche 944 today

)

WinUAE now does PPC and RTG but has anyone tried it with a really fast PC with their original disk or an ISO?

Would be curious to see just how fast an Amiga you can emulate.

Daedalus · 17 July 2018, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf10

Yeah, but does it have the same cool in-house soundtrack that's only available on the Saturn versions of Wip3out and Wipeout 2097? I own both

The latter game is much easier for newbies to pick up. It took me weeks to master the tracks on Wip3out.

You mean the original Wipeout, not Wipeout 3, yeah? There were excellent soundtracks on all versions, but I thought the PlayStation versions were the ones with the different soundtrack (courtesy of Sony), and the rest had the inferior one? I know the Amiga and PC version have the same soundtrack anyway.

As for which versions look better, well the PC and Amiga versions do run at a much higher resolution and framerate (given appropriate hardware), but the key thing that I notice when I go back to the PlayStation version is the really short draw distance...

It's a shame the Amiga version appears to have no support for analogue controllers, as they really make the game more enjoyable IMHO.

Edit: I've only ever played the Amiga version on an AmigaOne XE however, which has plenty of horsepower for games like that. I haven't played it on the original PPC accelerators so I can't compare...

kolla · 18 July 2018, 12:31

Playing Wipeout on CSPPC/CVPPC is rather tedious, but on a mac mini with MorphOS it works great.

zipper · 18 July 2018, 16:46

CSPPC + Voodoo3 is pretty good.

acidbottle · 18 November 2018, 08:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImmortalA1000

Haha I actually meant playing the Blittersoft Amiga PPC release in Sega Saturn quality without buying a PPC accelerator and 3D accelerator for still the price of a Porsche 944 today

)

WinUAE now does PPC and RTG but has anyone tried it with a really fast PC with their original disk or an ISO?

Would be curious to see just how fast an Amiga you can emulate.

Was in the mood for a tinker with the latest winuae yesterday and got my OS4.1 up and running, installed warp3d and set about getting Wipeout to run.

PPC emulation is pretty good, its performance on 3d software sadly isnt, I am unsure if this will or one day change but there you are.

Had to turn off the intro and set screenmode to 800x600 rgb16 (have to run winuae in windowed mode). It loaded fine which was awesome. however, it ran like a brick really. Id estimate around 10-12 fps, I manged a full lap at least!

If anyone has any tips to increase speed please post a reply

nexus · 18 November 2018, 09:13

even better on G3/G4 Classic Amiga
[ Show youtube player ]

kremiso · 18 January 2021, 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidbottle

Was in the mood for a tinker with the latest winuae yesterday and got my OS4.1 up and running, installed warp3d and set about getting Wipeout to run.

PPC emulation is pretty good, its performance on 3d software sadly isnt, I am unsure if this will or one day change but there you are.

Had to turn off the intro and set screenmode to 800x600 rgb16 (have to run winuae in windowed mode). It loaded fine which was awesome. however, it ran like a brick really. Id estimate around 10-12 fps, I manged a full lap at least!

If anyone has any tips to increase speed please post a reply

wondering if something has been improved lately...
has someone reached to have a better result than this, using the Wipeout + WinUAE combo ?

EAUniW · 18 January 2021, 11:08

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dreadnought · 18 January 2021, 11:28

I can (sort of) understand people wanting this to run well on real Amigas, but WinUAE? What's the point, when you can just fire up any ol' PSX emulator?

EAUniW · 18 January 2021, 11:41

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12 February 2013, 01:22	#1
ImmortalA1000 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: london/england Posts: 1,347	Will we ever be playing Wipeout 2097 on WinUAE as smooth as a Sega Saturn? Wouldn't it be great if you could play one of your favourit next gen (for the time) consoles on your trusty old Amiga 1200 WITHOUT having to fork out the price of a used Porsche 944 on an accelerator and 3D graphics card? Will we ever be able to save that cash and do it via emulation in the case of Wipeout 2097?

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kolla Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,893	Playing Wipeout on CSPPC/CVPPC is rather tedious, but on a mac mini with MorphOS it works great. Last edited by kolla; 18 July 2018 at 18:36.

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12 February 2013, 08:37	#2
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,522	What about 'cutting the middle man' : http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/sho...ndows-7-64-bit ?

12 February 2013, 09:59	#3
thellier Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Paris/France Posts: 274	Hello Give a Try to FPSE (playstation emulator) + gpuw3d plugin + Wazp3D (renderer:hard) + WinUAE It may works as there are several 3D games that already works with this config :-) http://thellier.free.fr/soulblade-sigfried-sophitia.png Alain Thellier - Wazp3D

12 February 2013, 22:05	#5
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,522	Dammit, you're right... sorry 'bout that

12 February 2013, 23:34	#6
rare_j Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,176	Apologies I couldn't resist! On a less flippant note, I found a version of PCSXr recently that puts PS1 games into proper widescreen. R4 is amazing in high res widescreen, perhaps the thread starter could give it a try with Wipeout.

12 February 2013, 23:38	#7
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,522	No worries I think it's time to mention that there's currently no interest to implement PPC in WinUAE. I'd also suggest to try both the PC and the PSX version via emulation

13 February 2013, 18:06	#8
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	The various ports aren't equivalent though. IIRC the Amiga port has various enhancements such as fogging which aren't present in the other versions.

21 February 2013, 15:36	#9
fishyfish Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 475	Yeah, Id recommend just running the playstation version in FPSE. Works great. Although it doesnt hurt, there's no need for warp3d/wazp3d. I used to play it a bit with FPSE on my Amithlon box. While still not bad the amiga version (which is a slighty inferior port of pc version) isnt as good as playstation version anyway. There's an often heard argument that the graphics are better on the amiga version, but I think its an acquired taste. Theyre maybe not quite as chunky, but theyre much blurrier as well (w3d image quality leaves a bit to be desired). As for the question in the thread title, no. But you can run it smoother Saturn version is good still, but drops a few frames compared to what can be done under Winuae using hardware acceleration.

06 July 2018, 16:34	#11
ImmortalA1000 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: london/england Posts: 1,347	Haha I actually meant playing the Blittersoft Amiga PPC release in Sega Saturn quality without buying a PPC accelerator and 3D accelerator for still the price of a Porsche 944 today ) WinUAE now does PPC and RTG but has anyone tried it with a really fast PC with their original disk or an ISO? Would be curious to see just how fast an Amiga you can emulate.

18 July 2018, 16:46	#14
zipper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: finland Posts: 1,837	CSPPC + Voodoo3 is pretty good.

18 November 2018, 09:13	#16
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	even better on G3/G4 Classic Amiga [ Show youtube player ]

18 January 2021, 11:28	#19
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 1,899	I can (sort of) understand people wanting this to run well on real Amigas, but WinUAE? What's the point, when you can just fire up any ol' PSX emulator?

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