HTML5 Implementation in Odyssey Works(OS4)

[White]

Here is a short unoptimized example of HTML5 in Odyssey with OS4.


The work is just beginning If anyone is interested we could try to do something together.


Here a little video works well I would say to start


https://we.tl/t-2poWQCtlix

[White]

I continue my tests for those interested

Now I have the basis to work from after many modifications
It is a starting point but with solid foundations.

Browservice now uses the audio of your PC directly.
The card is completely disabled in WinUAE
this increases the speed.
Other small changes also on Odyssey because in this case many functions are useless.

Clearly something would be needed to make better use of "Vulkan.dll"

Or something similar to a plugin that can interact with WinUAE from the graphical side.

You really need an external plugin, at least that's my idea.

Here OS4.1 a test video using Browservice with Odyssey.
For those who are interested and maybe want to try and help me.

https://we.tl/t-vG7GsOi2I0

[White]

here is the video on youtube for those who don't want to download it

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[White]

I made some small adjustments
now the user-agent is configurable directly in browservice without having to use OS4 spoffing

The speed is now also excellent.

I'm also trying with the 68k but something doesn't seem to work

For example WRP works with 68k but doesn't allow you to do what Browservice does.
https://github.com/tenox7/wrp

Who knows if the author of IBrowse for 68k and also of the PPC version
( because both IBrowse 68k and PPC OS 4.1 versions don't work with Browservice )

Can you give an answer to this.

here the new video of the test:

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[Samurai_Crow]

Are you using a modern WebKit subset or patching the existing one used by Odyssey?

[White]

@Samurai_Crow

Currently to test if everything works I'm using "Browservice" sometimes associated with "WebOne" to do some experiments.
I had to change some things to make it compatible with AmigaOS in general.

I still have to figure out where I can go.
Currently I'm only using "Windows as Host"

Then I move everything to linux where there is a wide choice of additional options.
Eventually if everything works out as I expect then I can put the various pieces together.

I have no experience in this field so I'll read up on it step by step. This is the first time I've tried to use WinUAE in this way.

The basic thought is that in reality WinUAE emulates Amiga but it does it by enhancing it, in most cases no one uses an emulation closely linked to the real Amiga machine, see for example the JIT.

So in my thoughts I don't see why not add other things
which can make the experience even more beautiful.

The 68k actually gives me the "window" of Browservice but only the "old 68k" version of IBrowse the 2.4 one created many years ago.
But it won't let me go any further.
I guess IBrowse can be modified for this purpose by the author to use the 68k like this as well.



here is an example of how it works to have just to get an idea for example on machines with Windows 98 with Internet Explorer 5:

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I haven't contacted the author of the program yet, I want to understand what to ask him first.

His project was born after using "WRP" and therefore made it better.
"WRP" is fully compatible with 68k but has limitations.
I guess some line of programming could be reintroduced in Browservice to make it 68k compatible.

To answer your question I'm only using Browservice with slightly modified OS4

[White]

Here is WRP with AmigaOS 68k as you can see from the video it works fine.
Now the 4.1 part is solved because it works.

Instead, I was interested now to make it work on the 68k

what you have to do is figure out how to make Browservice compatible with 68k.

Because WRP is basically not able to decode frames
While Browservice performs this function and therefore you can watch the videos in short without going into further details.

here the WRP video with IBrowse 68k:

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note:
Today i made a backup copy of windows 10 so i can make all the various attempts :-)

[DisasterIncarna]

probably wont change anything but maybe try the up to date iBrowse versions, they run in demo mode if not paid for, so they time out after using it for a set amount of time, but can still test it.

https://www.ibrowse-dev.net/

Even "up to date" versions kinda look/feel the same as the very old version, so I wouldnt expect any groundbreaking improvements but its the best we can get unless you use NetSurf 68k as an alternative, its veeeeery slow but at least kinda more modern.

http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/netsurf_os3

also, you probably already know but WRP can use a Height value of 0 and it will function like a normal expanding webpage rather than fixed height.

[White]

@DisasterIncarna

Yes, the author of Browservice took WRP and improved it basically when you watch a video with OS4 the frames are processed one after the other and he exceeded the limits of WRP with other modifications.

Now after some tests I did IBrowse opens Browservice instance but not correctly here the image.
I have tried all 68k browsers.
But the only one that seems to work with the 68k is IBrowse (any version).

Probably contacting Browservice's author wouldn't be a bad idea.
So I send him some video links.


as you can see from the screenshot it opens the instance
but the requester to browse with Browservice is not there

I tried various options with IBrowse but nothing to do
something is missing which causes Browservice search requester to appear.

And something about IBrowse
Because it doesn't work with OS4 either, the Browservice requester doesn't appear.

While instead Odyssey, Timberwolf, OWB (the old version)
They work well

[DisasterIncarna]

WRP says its minimum requirements are

Minimal Requirements

Server/Gateway requires modern hardware and operating system that is supported by Go language and Chrome/Chromium Browser, which must be installed.

Client Browser needs to support HTML FORMs and ISMAP. Typically Mosaic 2.0 would be minimum version for forms. However ISMAP was supported since 0.6B, so if you manually enter url using ?url=..., you can use the earlier version.

what that means for our 68k browsers however, i have no idea.

[White]

WRP is unable to process the frames and the videos cannot be viewed.
But the test was to see if the WRP requester was displayed.
While the Browservice requester is not displayed.

I also tried to see the HTML code but it didn't help.
I tried to copy it instead of the IBrowse one and in effect two icons (datatypes) appear that are not recognized by IBrowse

Browservice's requester probably uses something that IBrowse can't recognize and doesn't activate the requester.

(probably datatype)

[White]

As for streaming on Youtube
everything works fine with OS4.
I did a test with two videos that can be seen simultaneously without problems.
Previously it was unthinkable to do it without Browservice.

Bearing in mind that it's all on the same computer

For example, for the TwichTV part, the sources must be recompiled for personal use because there are various patents.

Now the hardest part surfing the internet with sites and what to do to make surfing fast.

here the video:
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[White]

Does anyone have 68k OWB versions

I only have version 1.6

I would be interested in older versions.

Thank you :-)

[DisasterIncarna]

i didnt even know there was a 68k port of origin....

[White]

@DisasterIncarna

This topic was covered some time ago.
It wasn't a perfect port but it started at least some versions.
I'm trying with 1.6 but it doesn't seem to work even if I configured everything right.

Here snoopdos:

I also increased the stack but nothing.
I'm using PicassoIV for security

Also put the sdl.library to be safe
But I guess Snoopsdos doesn't detect it because 1.6 maybe doesn't use it anymore (I don't know)

The only doubt is the "tooltype" of the OWB-68k 1.6 icon

if I add
"window"

snoopdos does not detect errors

if I delete it it says "fails"

now I believe "window" in the "tooltype"
must be followed by arguments (I think)

but which ones?

tips ?

Thank you

For IBrowse I think I understand that the problem lies in outdated Java. (I believe)

[White]

It works now, I hadn't updated the boing 1-2 and the rom

Ok I'll try now :-)

I must have somewhere the bar for OWB 68k written by "Alecos"

[DisasterIncarna]

just read the instructions for OWB 68k, it says tooltypes arent implimented yet.

[DisasterIncarna]

Originally Posted by White

It works now, I hadn't updated the boing 1-2 and the rom

Ok I'll try now :-)

I must have somewhere the bar for OWB 68k written by "Alecos"

what exactly does BB 1 and 2 include thats needed?

[DisasterIncarna]

ok, running it from shell it fails, saying "ixemul.library 48.x or better required!", i have ixemul 63.1 which i already have/use for ffplay, so who knows wth is going on there

[White]

@DisasterIncarna

IT WORKS IT WORKS!!

now i make a video with OWB 68k which can see youtube videos