Demos using the extras that came in ECS?

Photon · 15 July 2009, 16:07

Superhires, 1MB addressable chipmem. Are there any more features (or bugs or differences) that ECS added? And do you guys know any demos that actually used them?

Samurai_Crow · 15 July 2009, 17:38

There was also a flag that would give you a guaranteed black border regardless of the palette entry in color register 0. I think you could also set the sprites to overlap the border instead of being blocked out by it.

As for demos that used these effects, I'm not really a member of the scene so I can't think of any.

Mad-Matt · 15 July 2009, 18:12

Satisfaction Guaranteed - by pearl , uses the ehb mode of ecs chipset to fade colours. When run on ocs, the colours stay solid.

Toni Wilen · 15 July 2009, 20:11

Do you mean ECS Agnus only ("ECS Amiga 500" generally means ECS Agnus with original Denise) or both ECS Agnus and Denise?

Borderblank is probably most useful ECS Denise feature. ECS superhires is useless (max 4 colors from palette of 64(!) colors..), the rest are improved genlock features.

(btw, EHB is OCS feature)

EDIT: bordersprite is AGA-only.

StingRay · 15 July 2009, 20:42

Long blits, useful for c2p on 68000 (needs less blitter passes), I don't know if any demo using such c2p has been released (yet) though.

Thorham · 15 July 2009, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

ECS superhires is useless (max 4 colors from palette of 64(!) colors..)

Not with the right monitor. For serious software such a mode can be useful, just look at the Atari ST with it's black and white video mode

Further more, it can be used for slick looking movie style text up-scrolls for video purposes.

StingRay · 16 July 2009, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad-Matt

Satisfaction Guaranteed - by pearl , uses the ehb mode of ecs chipset to fade colours. When run on ocs, the colours stay solid.

EHB is not an ECS feature. AFAIK only very early models of the A1000 lack the EHB mode.

Photon · 28 July 2009, 04:32

I mean ECS. Enhanced chip set. Ie. not just Agnus adjusted to address 1MB of A500+ chipmem

Samurai_Crow · 29 July 2009, 15:05

The only program I know of that used the ECS Super-High-Res mode was a titler that did foreground, background and 2 shades of antialiasing for broadcast quality genlocked text. The blackborder effect was only needed in EHB mode and so on and was made obsolete in AGA by bigger addressable palettes.

Photon · 29 July 2009, 22:41

And >512K chip? Lots of prods?

(Superhires and > 512k chip... is there something else in ECS? Border sprites, and what else? Not sure the the Wikipedia article has all of it, not sure if there is more.)

Oh well, titlers aren't demos. Next!

Asman · 29 July 2009, 23:45

I found on Pouet.net somethink useful I think ( http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=200
about new agnus ability to switch between NTSC and PAL.

Photon · 30 July 2009, 03:48

Ah, thanks for that link

Well, I responded.

Still looking for some example ECS demo, tho. Maybe Stingray knows??

TheDarkCoder · 30 July 2009, 11:48

I did a demo which uses ECS features!
It is called "BeamControl". You can find it on aminet, demo/euro/BeamCtrl.lha
It detects the chipset and adapts to the gfx features available.

I have to say that some people don't consider it a demo because it's clearly and explicitely technical-oriented instead of being artistically-oriented.
But of course I disagree

IMHO, in their true essence, demos cannot ignore techinical features, otherwise they get into the realm of conventional computer graphics.
In the early days, demos were just demonstration of techinical abilities
(e.g. "look how fast my sinusscroller runs!"). Beamcontrol is such a kind of demo, it shows the capability of switching while running resolution and (most important) video frequencies.

Critiques and comments are welcome!!

skan · 30 July 2009, 12:00

Hey TDC!!!!!

How's life?!?

TheDarkCoder · 30 July 2009, 18:28

Hi Skan! You seem to have some kind of radar to spot me whenever I make some post! :-D

Anyway, everything is more or less ok. Very few time left to code, because of my dauther! ;-)

What abut you? Do you still have my email adress?

skan · 30 July 2009, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkCoder

Hi Skan! You seem to have some kind of radar to spot me whenever I make some post! :-D

Anyway, everything is more or less ok. Very few time left to code, because of my dauther! ;-)

What abut you? Do you still have my email adress?

Hehe, not that there are many Amiga boards left around!

Check your PM!

15 July 2009, 16:07	#1
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,658	Demos using the extras that came in ECS? Superhires, 1MB addressable chipmem. Are there any more features (or bugs or differences) that ECS added? And do you guys know any demos that actually used them?

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15 July 2009, 17:38	#2
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,200	There was also a flag that would give you a guaranteed black border regardless of the palette entry in color register 0. I think you could also set the sprites to overlap the border instead of being blocked out by it. As for demos that used these effects, I'm not really a member of the scene so I can't think of any.

15 July 2009, 18:12	#3
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,854	Satisfaction Guaranteed - by pearl , uses the ehb mode of ecs chipset to fade colours. When run on ocs, the colours stay solid.

15 July 2009, 20:11	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,573	Do you mean ECS Agnus only ("ECS Amiga 500" generally means ECS Agnus with original Denise) or both ECS Agnus and Denise? Borderblank is probably most useful ECS Denise feature. ECS superhires is useless (max 4 colors from palette of 64(!) colors..), the rest are improved genlock features. (btw, EHB is OCS feature) EDIT: bordersprite is AGA-only.

15 July 2009, 20:42	#5
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	Long blits, useful for c2p on 68000 (needs less blitter passes), I don't know if any demo using such c2p has been released (yet) though.

28 July 2009, 04:32	#8
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,658	I mean ECS. Enhanced chip set. Ie. not just Agnus adjusted to address 1MB of A500+ chipmem

29 July 2009, 15:05	#9
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,200	The only program I know of that used the ECS Super-High-Res mode was a titler that did foreground, background and 2 shades of antialiasing for broadcast quality genlocked text. The blackborder effect was only needed in EHB mode and so on and was made obsolete in AGA by bigger addressable palettes.

29 July 2009, 22:41	#10
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,658	And >512K chip? Lots of prods? (Superhires and > 512k chip... is there something else in ECS? Border sprites, and what else? Not sure the the Wikipedia article has all of it, not sure if there is more.) Oh well, titlers aren't demos. Next!

29 July 2009, 23:45	#11
Asman 68k Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Somewhere Posts: 829	I found on Pouet.net somethink useful I think ( http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=200 about new agnus ability to switch between NTSC and PAL.

30 July 2009, 03:48	#12
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,658	Ah, thanks for that link Well, I responded. Still looking for some example ECS demo, tho. Maybe Stingray knows??

30 July 2009, 11:48	#13
TheDarkCoder Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dark Kingdom Posts: 213	I did a demo which uses ECS features! It is called "BeamControl". You can find it on aminet, demo/euro/BeamCtrl.lha It detects the chipset and adapts to the gfx features available. I have to say that some people don't consider it a demo because it's clearly and explicitely technical-oriented instead of being artistically-oriented. But of course I disagree IMHO, in their true essence, demos cannot ignore techinical features, otherwise they get into the realm of conventional computer graphics. In the early days, demos were just demonstration of techinical abilities (e.g. "look how fast my sinusscroller runs!"). Beamcontrol is such a kind of demo, it shows the capability of switching while running resolution and (most important) video frequencies. Critiques and comments are welcome!!

30 July 2009, 12:00	#14
skan Dream Merchant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dreamlands Posts: 530	Hey TDC!!!!! How's life?!?

30 July 2009, 18:28	#15
TheDarkCoder Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dark Kingdom Posts: 213	Hi Skan! You seem to have some kind of radar to spot me whenever I make some post! :-D Anyway, everything is more or less ok. Very few time left to code, because of my dauther! ;-) What abut you? Do you still have my email adress?

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