Using Video Toaster with PAL Amiga? - Page 2

emufan · 09 August 2016, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyromania

I'll put 4.3 back on Open Video Toaster for free if it's no longer there.

I cannot find it on OpenVideoToaster website.
put it back online - this way it is more official/genuine and it will come with the latest lightwave version aswell

Marchie · 10 August 2016, 01:31

Thought that was the case regarding memory - thanx all for the help!

emufan · 10 August 2016, 01:57

just come back and tell us more about your project

Marchie · 10 August 2016, 04:17

I certainly will!

emufan · 10 August 2016, 06:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marchie

I certainly will!

I'm curious about it.

btw. take a look at the other thread, about A2000 battery.

Amiga_CDTV · 10 August 2016, 21:36

On a related note... I had a look on eBay, didn't know that PAL/NTSC converters can be bought this cheap nowadays.

Probably not comparable with the quality of a proper converter but one or more of those would make the testing something like the Toaster a lot easier!

Pyromania · 12 August 2016, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

I cannot find it on OpenVideoToaster website.
put it back online - this way it is more official/genuine and it will come with the latest lightwave version aswell

Back by popular demand, the install binary version of Toaster 4.3 software! Before you download don't forget to have some Amiga fun!

http://discreetfx.com/DownloadToaster.html

emufan · 12 August 2016, 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amiga_CDTV

On a related note... I had a look on eBay, didn't know that PAL/NTSC converters can be bought this cheap nowadays.

one toaster-owner has to test those, nice find.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyromania

Back by popular demand, the install binary version of Toaster 4.3 software! Before you download don't forget to have some Amiga fun!

http://discreetfx.com/DownloadToaster.html

Marchie · 12 August 2016, 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

btw. take a look at the other thread, about A2000 battery.

Battery removed long ago

.

emufan · 12 August 2016, 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marchie

Battery removed long ago

.

Marchie · 21 September 2016, 15:01

Ok, Video Toaster/Lightwave experts, help me out:
Video Toaster 4000 installed, my A2000 now has 12.5mb RAM (4mb 32-bit, 8mb fast, 512k chip) 68020, + FPU.

When I try to start Lighwave (Newtek directory/StartUps/LWStart) I get the following error:
+++ error 26 in line 81: Missing or unexpected END
Command returned 10/26: Missing or unexpected END

Help me out! So close, yet so far...

Yes, I get memory errors if I try to start the video toaster itself because it's looking for 1mb chip mem (see my other thread for solving that one) but I'm really (really) hoping I can get Lighwave to start independent of it, am I aiming too high?

Any help is very much appreciated!

emufan · 21 September 2016, 15:51

on the VideoToaster CD i can find two scripts:
/4.2/Programs/LW4StartToaster
/4.2/Programs/LW5StartToaster

i guess one of them you are referring to. in line 81 in both scripts, it just tries to copy the modeler:
address command "copy ttmp:Modeler.FP4 ttmp:Modeler.FP"
address command "copy ttmp:Modeler.FP5 ttmp:Modeler.FP"

ttmp: was assigned before: "assign ttmp: toaster: programs"

so i think toaster: programs/Modeler.FP5 or toaster: programs/Modeler.FP4 is missing.

take a look into the folder if you can fix it, if missing copy Modeler.FP4 and Modeler.FP5 to the folder again.

#1) if you are low on chip ram, you can try to boot without startup-sequence
(hold both mouse-keys when booting - early-startup-menu).
then cd to the toaster/programs folder and just start lightwave.fp4 or lightwave.fp5: for example:
stack 25000
lightwave.fp4
one should work, since the LWStart script has already copied lw-config/mod-config and mod_err.enu/lw_err.ENU to the programs/lightwave_support folder.
these are version dependent files (at least the *.enu files)
these 4 files should site in toaster/programs/lightwave_support

i'm not sure if it needs the assigns Toaster: or/and 3D: - if it ask for those just retry and assign them before you start modler or/lightwave.

I hope you can fix the chip ram issue.

Marchie · 22 September 2016, 01:19

Thanks, I'll look into this, will keep you posted.

Marchie · 22 September 2016, 13:46

Found modeler.fp, when I double-click I get "Startup Failure 212: Hardware key not found"

I'm assuming this is lw failing to detect my toaster card. I knew the toaster wouldn't run on a PAL system, but I was rather hoping it would at least detect the card without my needing to soulder the NTSC jumper. Oh well...

mark_k · 22 September 2016, 14:05

Lightwave needs a dongle that plugs into the parallel port. At least, some versions do.

emufan · 22 September 2016, 15:08

i thought the Toaster itself would work as the dongle for lightwave. too bad.
but there are scene releases, which work
here you can find LW 1.05 and 5.0r.
for a test run, copy/extract them into a differnt folder, not into your toaster path.
i'll look for working 3.x and 4.x version and will add to the folder.

#1) i've added to my folder version 4.0a(needs dongle) and 4.0y works out of the box.
(not yet listed on webfrontend, you must login with a ftp client)

#2) i've added Lightwave 3.5 and VideoToaster 3.5 Installation.

on the ftp there is already the VideoToaster 2.0 software, which might work with less chip ram
~/Uploads/emu/VideoToaster - just take a look.

Marchie · 23 September 2016, 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_k

Lightwave needs a dongle that plugs into the parallel port. At least, some versions do.

Originally it would only work with a toaster card installed, later they released stand-alone versions that would work just with a dongle. I've gone to the trouble of buying and installing a toaster card simply because I could find a card with software, but couldn't find a stand-alone copy (still looking).

Right now, anything will do I think!

Marchie · 23 September 2016, 02:31

Thanks emufan, that's awesome.

noob question: What are 'scene releases'?

Thanks for the Toaster 2.0 software too, getting the toaster working is a lower priority than getting Lightwave working, but I'll give it a go. First thing I'll need to do, it seems, is close-off the NTSC jumper, if it still doesn't work I'll have to start checking traces to get my 1 meg chip mem...

emufan · 23 September 2016, 03:07

well, scene-release - pirated software - those groups which brought the nice apps to the poor pupils and students. today the software houses learned their lesson and give out almost full working version for those just want to have aplay with their software

about the lightwave versions on the ftp, just try them step by step, they do all work
(except LW40a - needs dongle - but I added LW40y which works).
ftp -> /~Uploads/emu/Lightwave

I hope you can fix the chip ram issue, so you can have a play with the nice toaster software.
and try the older toaster versions - maybe v2.0 does work with less chip ram.

Marchie · 28 September 2016, 05:50

By the way, do I need to put in a new oscillator in if I close the jumper on my PAL 6.2 motherboard to switch to NTSC?

21 September 2016, 15:51	#32
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	on the VideoToaster CD i can find two scripts: /4.2/Programs/LW4StartToaster /4.2/Programs/LW5StartToaster i guess one of them you are referring to. in line 81 in both scripts, it just tries to copy the modeler: address command "copy ttmp:Modeler.FP4 ttmp:Modeler.FP" address command "copy ttmp:Modeler.FP5 ttmp:Modeler.FP" ttmp: was assigned before: "assign ttmp: toaster: programs" so i think toaster: programs/Modeler.FP5 or toaster: programs/Modeler.FP4 is missing. take a look into the folder if you can fix it, if missing copy Modeler.FP4 and Modeler.FP5 to the folder again. #1) if you are low on chip ram, you can try to boot without startup-sequence (hold both mouse-keys when booting - early-startup-menu). then cd to the toaster/programs folder and just start lightwave.fp4 or lightwave.fp5: for example: stack 25000 lightwave.fp4 one should work, since the LWStart script has already copied lw-config/mod-config and mod_err.enu/lw_err.ENU to the programs/lightwave_support folder. these are version dependent files (at least the .enu files) these 4 files should site in toaster/programs/lightwave_support i'm not sure if it needs the assigns Toaster: or/and 3D: - if it ask for those just retry and assign them before you start modler or/lightwave. I hope you can fix the chip ram issue. Last edited by emufan; 21 September 2016 at 16:35.*

22 September 2016, 15:08	#36
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	i thought the Toaster itself would work as the dongle for lightwave. too bad. but there are scene releases, which work here you can find LW 1.05 and 5.0r. for a test run, copy/extract them into a differnt folder, not into your toaster path. i'll look for working 3.x and 4.x version and will add to the folder. #1) i've added to my folder version 4.0a(needs dongle) and 4.0y works out of the box. (not yet listed on webfrontend, you must login with a ftp client) #2) i've added Lightwave 3.5 and VideoToaster 3.5 Installation. on the ftp there is already the VideoToaster 2.0 software, which might work with less chip ram ~/Uploads/emu/VideoToaster - just take a look. Last edited by emufan; 22 September 2016 at 22:12.

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10 August 2016, 01:31	#22
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	Thought that was the case regarding memory - thanx all for the help!

10 August 2016, 01:57	#23
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	just come back and tell us more about your project

10 August 2016, 04:17	#24
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	I certainly will!

10 August 2016, 21:36	#26
Amiga_CDTV Mind Walker Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 165	On a related note... I had a look on eBay, didn't know that PAL/NTSC converters can be bought this cheap nowadays. Probably not comparable with the quality of a proper converter but one or more of those would make the testing something like the Toaster a lot easier!

21 September 2016, 15:01	#31
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	Ok, Video Toaster/Lightwave experts, help me out: Video Toaster 4000 installed, my A2000 now has 12.5mb RAM (4mb 32-bit, 8mb fast, 512k chip) 68020, + FPU. When I try to start Lighwave (Newtek directory/StartUps/LWStart) I get the following error: +++ error 26 in line 81: Missing or unexpected END Command returned 10/26: Missing or unexpected END Help me out! So close, yet so far... Yes, I get memory errors if I try to start the video toaster itself because it's looking for 1mb chip mem (see my other thread for solving that one) but I'm really (really) hoping I can get Lighwave to start independent of it, am I aiming too high? Any help is very much appreciated!

22 September 2016, 01:19	#33
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	Thanks, I'll look into this, will keep you posted.

22 September 2016, 13:46	#34
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	Found modeler.fp, when I double-click I get "Startup Failure 212: Hardware key not found" I'm assuming this is lw failing to detect my toaster card. I knew the toaster wouldn't run on a PAL system, but I was rather hoping it would at least detect the card without my needing to soulder the NTSC jumper. Oh well...

22 September 2016, 14:05	#35
mark_k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Posts: 3,336	Lightwave needs a dongle that plugs into the parallel port. At least, some versions do.

23 September 2016, 02:31	#38
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	Thanks emufan, that's awesome. noob question: What are 'scene releases'? Thanks for the Toaster 2.0 software too, getting the toaster working is a lower priority than getting Lightwave working, but I'll give it a go. First thing I'll need to do, it seems, is close-off the NTSC jumper, if it still doesn't work I'll have to start checking traces to get my 1 meg chip mem...

23 September 2016, 03:07	#39
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	well, scene-release - pirated software - those groups which brought the nice apps to the poor pupils and students. today the software houses learned their lesson and give out almost full working version for those just want to have aplay with their software about the lightwave versions on the ftp, just try them step by step, they do all work (except LW40a - needs dongle - but I added LW40y which works). ftp -> /~Uploads/emu/Lightwave I hope you can fix the chip ram issue, so you can have a play with the nice toaster software. and try the older toaster versions - maybe v2.0 does work with less chip ram.

28 September 2016, 05:50	#40
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	By the way, do I need to put in a new oscillator in if I close the jumper on my PAL 6.2 motherboard to switch to NTSC?

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