new amiga 500 doom like !

[Bruce Abbott]

Originally Posted by Nishicorn

Logically thinking, the difference shouldn't be that big - and since you can customize mouse precisions, accelerations and speeds pretty nicely, it should be pretty much the same experience, but maybe just feel a bit better due to nostalgy and atmosphere.

However, this effect and its enormity surprised me - I certainly didn't expect it to even happen. Not only did it happen, but it's still mindblowing to me, just how big that contrast is between using PC (and insert whatever drawing package, or any Amiga emulation) and Amiga truly is.

PCs always had imprecise mouse movement, originally due to the poor hardware interface (low speed serial port) and lack of proper multitasking. The workaround for that was to 'accelerate' larger mouse movements, which makes accurate positioning difficult.

Unfortunately that legacy has been perpetuated on modern PCs. Even with all user acceleration controls turned off, the driver and/or mouse itself still has a nonlinear response. I have one USB mouse so sensitive that it is virtually useless for drawing. I found a setting in Linux that makes it better, but still not nearly as accurate as the ball mice on my Amigas!

[Tigerskunk]

All my ball mice are shit on my Amigas compared to the optical ones on my mac?

What am I doing wrong?

[utri007]

Originally Posted by Steril707

All my ball mice are shit on my Amigas compared to the optical ones on my mac?

What am I doing wrong?

You havent bought 24,95€ laser kit from Jesus https://www.staticboards.com/showcat.php?tag=Retro

[utri007]

Just wondering what is happening? Is this site turning to amiga.org where tens of people write long posts how their opinions are more right or better than others?

This is about Doom clone for a Amiga 500.

[Tigerskunk]

Originally Posted by utri007

Just wondering what is happening? Is this site turning to amiga.org where tens of people write long posts how their opinions are more right or better than others?

This is about Doom clone for a Amiga 500.

Not tens of people, just one at the moment...

[d4rk3lf]

Originally Posted by Konrad

I wish some people would keep there answers a little shorter ;-). Especially doing so in multiple threads over a very short time.

Wait.
You are reading ALL of what he wrote?

I don't mind long posts, but style of this guy writing, is somewhat boring, so I just skip after few sentences.

[Marchie]

I agree that working on real hardware is far better than emulation, I think taking up that point here though is derailing a thread which is really about the rather astonishing work being done by KK/Altair.

Any updates KK? Want to get us back on track?

[roondar]

Originally Posted by KK/Altair

Reworked asset converter pipeline completely and now it gives much finer control over every single asset. Implemented a few new dithering methods - none works better than the current one, but they all have lots of tweakable parameters now, adjustable per-asset, which allowed getting rid of red pixels on the hand (it came a bit yellowish due to palette, though) without destroying anything else. I've got great custom made graphics for weapon sprites as well as some graphics and font for the menu, so getting them into the engine will be next. Things should start looking more like a game and less like a techdemo soon.

Sounds like you're moving along nicely. And here I was thinking it already kind of looked like a game. Will be interesting to see your next few milestones.

And of course, I'm stoked you managed to recolour the hand

[Mathesar]

Originally Posted by KK/Altair

Reworked asset converter pipeline completely and now it gives much finer control over every single asset. Implemented a few new dithering methods - none works better than the current one, but they all have lots of tweakable parameters now, adjustable per-asset, which allowed getting rid of red pixels on the hand (it came a bit yellowish due to palette, though) without destroying anything else. I've got great custom made graphics for weapon sprites as well as some graphics and font for the menu, so getting them into the engine will be next. Things should start looking more like a game and less like a techdemo soon.

More like a game.. and it already looked like a proper game to me!
Sounds really good, especially now that you have weapon sprites. Tbh, I thought the dithering was mostly OK, except for some textures and that hand of course LOL.

Can't wait to see the new improvements

[ESC]

Just wanted to pop in and say I'm really looking forward to more updates, you're making something I dreamed about back in the day.

[Tigerskunk]

Still, what an amazing work..
Thanks, KK...

[fryguy]

Yes, really impressive project!

[lesta_smsc]

Saw an update from May 2020 and WOW this is an amazing development.

He mentioned about using CRT monitor to make dithering allow image to look better. I am keen to test on my 28" CRT TV! Where is the download link?...

[KK/Altair]

Originally Posted by lesta_smsc

Saw an update from May 2020 and WOW this is an amazing development.

He mentioned about using CRT monitor to make dithering allow image to look better. I am keen to test on my 28" CRT TV! Where is the download link?...

Thanks!


Yes, I mentioned the CRT effect and then messed up the video export. At the time of saying this the video was supposed to be using a CRT-like filter, but that did not render.



As for the next update: entire asset converter pipeline was reworked, got lots of updated graphics and starting to get all that into the engine. On the way, the hand got much better already - turned quite yellow, but I don't really mind.

[lesta_smsc]

Haha great work! Very smooth and still amazed you'll pulled this off on a stock machine (albeit with additional RAM)!

When will we be able to get a demo!? Lol

[wairnair]

Originally Posted by ESC

Just wanted to pop in and say I'm really looking forward to more updates, you're making something I dreamed about back in the day.

same here! amazing project.

[utri007]

Originally Posted by KK/Altair

I have to say the same about Your work. I'm a great fan of both Atari VCS and Amiga - great and really elegant platforms.

Thanks for making this world a better and much more enjoyable place.


EDIT: Sorry I completely mixed things up. Fixed now.

Any news about this? And please, I don't ask new pro quality video, just few words how it is going.

[gimbal]

News about what? You did not exactly quote anything that needs updating on...

[IanS]

Originally Posted by Bruce Abbott

PCs always had imprecise mouse movement, originally due to the poor hardware interface (low speed serial port) and lack of proper multitasking. The workaround for that was to 'accelerate' larger mouse movements, which makes accurate positioning difficult.

Unfortunately that legacy has been perpetuated on modern PCs. Even with all user acceleration controls turned off, the driver and/or mouse itself still has a nonlinear response. I have one USB mouse so sensitive that it is virtually useless for drawing. I found a setting in Linux that makes it better, but still not nearly as accurate as the ball mice on my Amigas!

Perhaps that has more to do with your personal setup than with PCs in general. I have no problems with inaccurate mice on my computer's unless the processor and HDD are under heavy load. Maybe a better mouse driver is required? Workbench suffered from the same problem too when under heavy load.

[robinsonb5]

Originally Posted by IanS

Perhaps that has more to do with your personal setup than with PCs in general. I have no problems with inaccurate mice on my computer's unless the processor and HDD are under heavy load. Maybe a better mouse driver is required? Workbench suffered from the same problem too when under heavy load.

PS/2 and USB mice are generally fine, but the acceleration habit was adopted in the days of horrible 1200 baud RS232 serial mice. Using one of those always felt to me like trying to walk when my foot's gone to sleep.


(I did have one such RS232 serial mouse on which I replaced the internal ceramic resonator with one of double the frequency, which doubled the baud and reporting rate. That mouse was, in comparison, a joy to use.)