IDE fucked up on A1200?

Amiga1992 · 10 December 2008, 22:43

I was inspecting my old allegedly fried motherboard, and it seems like somehow my IDE - CF connector burned the IDE of my old Amiga. Everything works but the IDE, it takes a longer time trying to boot up than usual, but everything runs fine from diskettes when no device is connected to the IDE. Whenever I plug in a hard drive, the machine won't even boot up.

Could this be a simple capacitor/whatever fix or do I have to ditch my A1200 to the garbage?

Bloodwych · 10 December 2008, 23:11

Damn, you've had a hard time with that A1200. Last time I read, you were doing some major mod work to it. Sad to hear it's crapped out.

I hope you get it fixed, as I know you used it for more than just nostalgia.

rkauer · 11 December 2008, 00:08

@Akira: you can use a CF with a PCMCIA adaptor as HD. It will "fix" your problem.

Amiga1992 · 11 December 2008, 01:25

Yeah I know, this is what I am looking for now. I am going to use an SD card to boot up.

But I still would like to know if I can fix the IDE controller. Wanna get rid of at least one of these Amigas.

Amiga1992 · 11 December 2008, 02:14

By the way, the PCMCIA port doesn't use the IDE controller for disk-like operations like loading the cf device? That may render it useless too...

Also, is the IDE controller conencted at all with the CIAs? Could it cause CIA malfunction, or CIA malfunction be the cause of IDE problems? At this point I Am prtty sure the CIAs are fine though...

rkauer · 11 December 2008, 04:39

If you mesmerise the CF as a real HD, then you don't need any "driver" to use it directly on boot time.

And if you mark the CF partition as "bootable", you will even be able to boot from it.

Amiga1992 · 12 December 2008, 18:22

Hey man, I tried to do this, I created an SD card with an Amiga formatted partition, made it bootable and all... the machine would not boot... Don't you need AT LEAST the compactflash.device to be loaded?

Hungry Horace · 12 December 2008, 18:43

i would have thought you'd need some kind of bootdisk for exactly that reason.

i know a few people do use CF-pcmcia as their main drives on this board (cammy?) - hopefully they will pipe-up to confirm either-way.

rkauer · 12 December 2008, 20:03

Can you make a little experience? Hold down both mouse buttons at cold boot and on "boot options", select the card as boot device.

I think this will temporally fix the boot question. Remember always to make the CF partition as bootable, of course. The Amiga will recognize it as a HD device, AFAIK.

cane · 12 December 2008, 21:51

Here and here you'll find info about booting from PCMCIA card.

Amiga1992 · 12 December 2008, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

Can you make a little experience? Hold down both mouse buttons at cold boot and on "boot options", select the card as boot device.

I think this will temporally fix the boot question. Remember always to make the CF partition as bootable, of course. The Amiga will recognize it as a HD device, AFAIK.

I did that, and it wouldn't boot. I disabled DF0 for added effectiveness too.
Perhaps I need to reformat the card.
Why is the compactflash.device needed then, when we use a PCMCIA card reader normally?

Amiga1992 · 12 December 2008, 22:30

The threads Cane posted suggest this is impossible, however, in none of those threads, the CF card is formatted in Amiga OS FFS, only FAT95.

Did anybody try doing this with a card formatted in Amiga format?
Can Prepcard effectively format the CF to be used as a bootable disk, perhaps?

I took my SD card and prepared it Fast File System+Bootable in WinUAE, then inserted it on the PCMCIA adapter. Nothing happened. Seems like you DO need to load the compactflash.device before this would work at all.

rkauer · 12 December 2008, 22:38

@Akira: that's my exact point!

Prep the CF as a HD, then install everything on it. I think it can be done.

vk3heg · 13 December 2008, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

The threads Cane posted suggest this is impossible, however, in none of those threads, the CF card is formatted in Amiga OS FFS, only FAT95.

Did anybody try doing this with a card formatted in Amiga format?
Can Prepcard effectively format the CF to be used as a bootable disk, perhaps?

I took my SD card and prepared it Fast File System+Bootable in WinUAE, then inserted it on the PCMCIA adapter. Nothing happened. Seems like you DO need to load the compactflash.device before this would work at all.

How about having a boot floppy with a small startup setup (ie: compactflash.device etc), and then transfer control to the cf card in the pcmcia port?

Amiga1992 · 13 December 2008, 19:54

YEah that's what everyon is doing, but I don't have said diskette (can someone sort me out?)

Rkauer: I have no workbench floppies to try this

But I think there is a reason why the CF0: device needs to be mounted... I think these readers are not recognized as normal PCMCIA SRAM cards, so PrepCard will not see them.
But these are just assumptions on my side. Can anybody try?

What about this patched kickstart someone was mentioning before? Can we make custom kickstarts with a compactflash.device inbuilt?

Zetr0 · 13 December 2008, 20:25

@Akira

Yes, ppill developed a workbench boot that then handed over booting to the cf card in the PCMCIA port, worked quite well I believe.

btw, answer your PM's

cosmicfrog · 14 December 2008, 17:00

yes where is that elusive kickstart with everything on it and patched uptodate

remember don`t link Just talk !

Amiga1992 · 15 December 2008, 08:48

That's not what I meant, Retro, and I think I replied to all your PMs. I have no new ones.

Amiga1992 · 18 December 2008, 20:13

So, no easy to check troubleshooting for the IDE port?
And no one tried that CF method talked about?
Where are these "superROMs"?

rkauer · 19 December 2008, 18:13

I think you can make your own ROM using Doobrey's remus/ROMsplit, sacking out the dead scsi.device and adding the compactflash.device into it. After that, it's just a case of burn the ROM.

10 December 2008, 22:43	#1
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	IDE fucked up on A1200? I was inspecting my old allegedly fried motherboard, and it seems like somehow my IDE - CF connector burned the IDE of my old Amiga. Everything works but the IDE, it takes a longer time trying to boot up than usual, but everything runs fine from diskettes when no device is connected to the IDE. Whenever I plug in a hard drive, the machine won't even boot up. Could this be a simple capacitor/whatever fix or do I have to ditch my A1200 to the garbage?

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10 December 2008, 23:11	#2
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Damn, you've had a hard time with that A1200. Last time I read, you were doing some major mod work to it. Sad to hear it's crapped out. I hope you get it fixed, as I know you used it for more than just nostalgia.

11 December 2008, 00:08	#3
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	@Akira: you can use a CF with a PCMCIA adaptor as HD. It will "fix" your problem.

11 December 2008, 01:25	#4
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	Yeah I know, this is what I am looking for now. I am going to use an SD card to boot up. But I still would like to know if I can fix the IDE controller. Wanna get rid of at least one of these Amigas.

11 December 2008, 02:14	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	By the way, the PCMCIA port doesn't use the IDE controller for disk-like operations like loading the cf device? That may render it useless too... Also, is the IDE controller conencted at all with the CIAs? Could it cause CIA malfunction, or CIA malfunction be the cause of IDE problems? At this point I Am prtty sure the CIAs are fine though...

11 December 2008, 04:39	#6
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	If you mesmerise the CF as a real HD, then you don't need any "driver" to use it directly on boot time. And if you mark the CF partition as "bootable", you will even be able to boot from it.

12 December 2008, 18:22	#7
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	Hey man, I tried to do this, I created an SD card with an Amiga formatted partition, made it bootable and all... the machine would not boot... Don't you need AT LEAST the compactflash.device to be loaded?

12 December 2008, 18:43	#8
Hungry Horace Wipe-Out Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: . Age: 43 Posts: 2,545	i would have thought you'd need some kind of bootdisk for exactly that reason. i know a few people do use CF-pcmcia as their main drives on this board (cammy?) - hopefully they will pipe-up to confirm either-way.

12 December 2008, 20:03	#9
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Can you make a little experience? Hold down both mouse buttons at cold boot and on "boot options", select the card as boot device. I think this will temporally fix the boot question. Remember always to make the CF partition as bootable, of course. The Amiga will recognize it as a HD device, AFAIK.

12 December 2008, 21:51	#10
cane Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: .hr Age: 45 Posts: 540	Here and here you'll find info about booting from PCMCIA card.

12 December 2008, 22:30	#12
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	The threads Cane posted suggest this is impossible, however, in none of those threads, the CF card is formatted in Amiga OS FFS, only FAT95. Did anybody try doing this with a card formatted in Amiga format? Can Prepcard effectively format the CF to be used as a bootable disk, perhaps? I took my SD card and prepared it Fast File System+Bootable in WinUAE, then inserted it on the PCMCIA adapter. Nothing happened. Seems like you DO need to load the compactflash.device before this would work at all.

12 December 2008, 22:38	#13
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	@Akira: that's my exact point! Prep the CF as a HD, then install everything on it. I think it can be done.

13 December 2008, 19:54	#15
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	YEah that's what everyon is doing, but I don't have said diskette (can someone sort me out?) Rkauer: I have no workbench floppies to try this But I think there is a reason why the CF0: device needs to be mounted... I think these readers are not recognized as normal PCMCIA SRAM cards, so PrepCard will not see them. But these are just assumptions on my side. Can anybody try? What about this patched kickstart someone was mentioning before? Can we make custom kickstarts with a compactflash.device inbuilt?

13 December 2008, 20:25	#16
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Akira Yes, ppill developed a workbench boot that then handed over booting to the cf card in the PCMCIA port, worked quite well I believe. btw, answer your PM's

14 December 2008, 17:00	#17
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	yes where is that elusive kickstart with everything on it and patched uptodate remember don`t link Just talk !

15 December 2008, 08:48	#18
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	That's not what I meant, Retro, and I think I replied to all your PMs. I have no new ones.

18 December 2008, 20:13	#19
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	So, no easy to check troubleshooting for the IDE port? And no one tried that CF method talked about? Where are these "superROMs"?

19 December 2008, 18:13	#20
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	I think you can make your own ROM using Doobrey's remus/ROMsplit, sacking out the dead scsi.device and adding the compactflash.device into it. After that, it's just a case of burn the ROM.

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