Details for the next generation of Flickerfixers from Individual Computers - Page 95

1time · 06 March 2013, 20:10

Thanks for the info.

tolkien · 06 March 2013, 22:32

Thanks for the info. I´m a future buyer for sure but waiting for now.

Mohican · 06 March 2013, 23:21

Sounds good, thanks for info.

NovaCoder · 06 March 2013, 23:49

Thanks for the update Jens, hopefully you'll be able to release something soon.

clebin · 07 March 2013, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

I will meet a new programmer on saturday who has worked for me years ago already. We will look into translation of the existing flash/config tool from BlitzBasic to C, so the code can be maintained better.

Note that this is NOT a progress report - progress is only made on the GUI part, but that doesn't help you functionality-wise.

Jens

Thanks a lot Jens. Hope it goes well on Saturday!

Chris

Retrofan · 07 March 2013, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

...We will look into translation of the existing flash/config tool from BlitzBasic to C, so the code can be maintained better.
Jens

Time ago you said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

... I got a lot of offers for help ..., and I'm happy to make use of that once I have to time to coordinate things.
Jens

I hope that changing it to C you can coordinate better that help.

NovaCoder · 08 March 2013, 00:00

I'm no programmer but I'd guess that Jens actually needs 3 different talents to bring this together.

1) GUI person (sound's like it was written in BlitzBasic and now needs to be converted to C)
2) A low-level driver guy to write the code for the config tool to 'talk' to the FPGA (probably developed in assembler or maybe C).
3) An FPGA coder

Now out of that list, I assume that Jens will cover the FPGA side, God only knows how far along they are.

I'm sure there are plenty of talented 68k coders that could help out with the first two, in fact I even know a really clever FPGA developer who might be able help on that side as well if needed.

Just because this is a commercial product, I don't see why it couldn't have a community developed config tool.

desiv · 08 March 2013, 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaCoder

Just because this is a commercial product, I don't see why it couldn't have a community developed config tool.

Support.
I'm a huge OSS guy, but..
If there's a way to brick the device with software (I don't know this, just IF), then it would probably be a bad idea for Jens to publish specifics so people could develop a community config tool.

Sure, you could say "use this tool and you are on your own," but I think we know there would still be people bricking things and asking for support..

Now, if there's no way to brick it (or damage monitors or whatever), then sure..

desiv

strim · 08 March 2013, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by desiv

it would probably be a bad idea for Jens to publish specifics so people could develop a community config tool.

I totally, completely disagree. So far the Amiga community had a lot of problems due to hardware vendors refusing to release programming documentation (just think about G-REX, "open" OpenPCI, there are a lot of other examples).

Fortunately, Individual Computers usually provided documentation in some form. As an owner of three Indivision MK-II units I hope that one day we'll see such documentation for them. So I can make config tool for NetBSD

.

desiv · 08 March 2013, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by strim

I totally, completely disagree. So far the Amiga community had a lot of problems due to hardware vendors refusing to release programming documentation .

I didn't say it would be a bad idea.
I said it would be a bad idea "for Jens."
It would be awesome for the community; agreed there.

desiv

Retrofan · 19 March 2013, 15:05

Ok, finally I've bought an M2732 FullHD LG. The bad is that it only has 1 HDMI (Edit: I've just bought an HDMI switch), but the good is how good the Indi works here. Booting my AmiKit conversion it shows almost all the booting image it has, and later you can see all the HighGFX screen centered almost perfect.

I noticed I was having some horizontal lines (don't know if the same ones that I was having in the past), but it was just to press the connection between the indi and the Kipper2k Hdmi cable adapter and they disappeared.

Before, with a Samsung 24"Led Tv I had to change with the remote to Ext (scart) to see some screens, but now with this Lg I can see all of them through HDMI, so now I can play games and they are shown to the right of the screen, but complete.

roy bates · 19 March 2013, 18:05

thats a really nice picture.

Art · 19 March 2013, 20:08

With DVI to DVI connection I get crisp full screen picture of workbench. However, when I play a game it switches back to a smaller window. How to make games stay full screen and not switch to a smaller window ?

When I use DVI to RGB I get both full screen workbench and games but with ugly lines on screen ! Will that screen tool Jens is working on fix this issue ?

See the pics:
http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Ar...aad42.jpg.html

http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Ar...a059e.jpg.html

Retrofan · 19 March 2013, 20:39

What screenmode is that, Superplus? I don't see that ugly lines you say.

This is my first flickerfixer, so I don't know if the games can be fixed somehow to be displayed centered or not.

Art · 19 March 2013, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

What screenmode is that, Superplus? I don't see that ugly lines you say.

This is my first flickerfixer, so I don't know if the games can be fixed somehow to be displayed centered or not.

This is SuperPlus 800x600 with DVI - DVI

fitzsteve · 19 March 2013, 22:41

If your Monitor has some up/down/left/right controls you can try to center it, but this is normal and indeed hopefully the config tool will let us make the needed changes

Art · 20 March 2013, 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

What screenmode is that, Superplus? I don't see that ugly lines you say.

This is my first flickerfixer, so I don't know if the games can be fixed somehow to be displayed centered or not.

For me with HighGfx (DVI to DVI) I get no distortions or corruptions but the screen goes black after a few mins and I need to restart the computer. I tried turning Fblit on and off, pressing Indi, cooling, fans - nothing helps.
Workbench is full screen, games windowed.

HighGfx DVI to RGB I get lines and corruptions after I open more than 7 windows but the monitor stays on.
Workbench is full screen, games full screen.

SuperPlus (DVI to DVI) is stable no problems!
Workbench is full screen, games windowed.

SuperPlus (DVI to RGB)is stable no problems!
I get horizontal lines but no corruptions.
Workbench is full screen, games full screen.

Art · 20 March 2013, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art

For me with HighGfx (DVI to DVI) I get no distortions or corruptions but the screen goes black after a few mins and I need to restart the computer. I tried turning Fblit on and off, pressing Indi, cooling, fans - nothing helps.
Workbench is full screen, games windowed.

HighGfx DVI to RGB I get lines and corruptions after I open more than 7 windows but the monitor stays on.
Workbench is full screen, games full screen.

SuperPlus (DVI to DVI) is stable no problems!
Workbench is full screen, games windowed.

SuperPlus (DVI to RGB)is stable no problems!
I get horizontal lines but no corruptions.
Workbench is full screen, games full screen.

Well, I just installed plain Classic WB LITE and no problems with HighGfx there.
The problems with HighGfx seem to occur with Classic WB ADVSP.
Even with chip ram drained to 200kb nothing is crashing.

Schoenfeld · 20 March 2013, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art

HighGfx DVI to RGB I get lines and corruptions after I open more than 7 windows but the monitor stays on.

Sounds more like a dead Alice or an early Commodore (not HP) Lisa chip that can't handle SHires properly.

Jens

Retrofan · 20 March 2013, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art

Well, I just installed plain Classic WB LITE and no problems with HighGfx there.
The problems with HighGfx seem to occur with Classic WB ADVSP.
Even with chip ram drained to 200kb nothing is crashing.

That's rare. Are you running FBlit with the Lite and not with the AdvSp?
Edit: And what accelerator do you have?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibs

I can reproduce the issue each time.
They appear even the Amiga cold at first start.

Now when I launch Fblit, they don't comeback anymore.

But is the real solution ?

As I said I use the HighGFX driver @ 1024x768.

Maybe you guys are using ClassicWB with fblit ON and so the glitches don't appear ?
Can you test without fblit and my screen resolution ?

19 March 2013, 15:05	#1891
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	Ok, finally I've bought an M2732 FullHD LG. The bad is that it only has 1 HDMI (Edit: I've just bought an HDMI switch), but the good is how good the Indi works here. Booting my AmiKit conversion it shows almost all the booting image it has, and later you can see all the HighGFX screen centered almost perfect. I noticed I was having some horizontal lines (don't know if the same ones that I was having in the past), but it was just to press the connection between the indi and the Kipper2k Hdmi cable adapter and they disappeared. Before, with a Samsung 24"Led Tv I had to change with the remote to Ext (scart) to see some screens, but now with this Lg I can see all of them through HDMI, so now I can play games and they are shown to the right of the screen, but complete. Last edited by Retrofan; 20 March 2013 at 18:29.

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06 March 2013, 20:10	#1881
1time Amiga Lover Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Stockholm / Sweden Age: 46 Posts: 612	Thanks for the info.

06 March 2013, 22:32	#1882
tolkien AmigaMan Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Castro Urdiales/Spain Posts: 760	Thanks for the info. I´m a future buyer for sure but waiting for now.

06 March 2013, 23:21	#1883
Mohican Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Budapest / Hungary Age: 50 Posts: 67	Sounds good, thanks for info.

06 March 2013, 23:49	#1884
NovaCoder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne/Australia Posts: 4,400	Thanks for the update Jens, hopefully you'll be able to release something soon.

08 March 2013, 00:00	#1887
NovaCoder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne/Australia Posts: 4,400	I'm no programmer but I'd guess that Jens actually needs 3 different talents to bring this together. 1) GUI person (sound's like it was written in BlitzBasic and now needs to be converted to C) 2) A low-level driver guy to write the code for the config tool to 'talk' to the FPGA (probably developed in assembler or maybe C). 3) An FPGA coder Now out of that list, I assume that Jens will cover the FPGA side, God only knows how far along they are. I'm sure there are plenty of talented 68k coders that could help out with the first two, in fact I even know a really clever FPGA developer who might be able help on that side as well if needed. Just because this is a commercial product, I don't see why it couldn't have a community developed config tool.

19 March 2013, 18:05	#1892
roy bates Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: birmingham Age: 55 Posts: 2,827	thats a really nice picture.

19 March 2013, 20:08	#1893
Art Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Nowy Sacz/Poland Posts: 38	With DVI to DVI connection I get crisp full screen picture of workbench. However, when I play a game it switches back to a smaller window. How to make games stay full screen and not switch to a smaller window ? When I use DVI to RGB I get both full screen workbench and games but with ugly lines on screen ! Will that screen tool Jens is working on fix this issue ? See the pics: http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Ar...aad42.jpg.html http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Ar...a059e.jpg.html

19 March 2013, 20:39	#1894
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	What screenmode is that, Superplus? I don't see that ugly lines you say. This is my first flickerfixer, so I don't know if the games can be fixed somehow to be displayed centered or not.

19 March 2013, 22:41	#1896
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	If your Monitor has some up/down/left/right controls you can try to center it, but this is normal and indeed hopefully the config tool will let us make the needed changes

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