Sonnet 7200 PCI programming - Page 238

jbenam · 09 May 2021, 09:54

@torsti76
Thanks.

Okay, it seems to be fairly easy to source P17C9X111SL based bridges, even if they are a bit on the expensive side.

Might purchase one of those el-cheapo ones from China just to be sure...

Now I have to find one of those Prometheus repros while hese finishes his Firebird for A4000D

Hedeon · 09 May 2021, 10:38

It could be money lost. Killer NICs refuse to work with Warp3D on the Prometheus.

jbenam · 09 May 2021, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

It could be money lost. Killer NICs refuse to work with Warp3D on the Prometheus.

Well, that would most certainly limit their usefulness.

I wonder how much of a chance there is for Elbox to implement PCI bridge support in pci.library after you will add support for PCIe cards to the Sonnet lib?

It seems they are quite responsive when something could lead to new sales...

Hedeon · 09 May 2021, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbenam

I wonder how much of a chance there is for Elbox to implement PCI bridge support in pci.library after you will add support for PCIe cards to the Sonnet lib?

It is a hardware limitation. Mediator cannot handle config1 requests as far as I know.

jbenam · 09 May 2021, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

It is a hardware limitation. Mediator cannot handle config1 requests as far as I know.

I see. What about Warp3D and Prometheus? Is there hope in the future that it will work?

Just wondering if it's worth purchasing a Prometheus or not.

Thanks.

trixster · 09 May 2021, 16:12

Warp3D works fine with Prometheus, there’s just a problem with the K1/M1 that breaks warp3D. Use a different supported ppc and it’s fine

jbenam · 09 May 2021, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

Warp3D works fine with Prometheus, there’s just a problem with the K1/M1 that breaks warp3D. Use a different supported ppc and it’s fine

If it's just limited to Warp3D it might still be worth for me to get one for cheap and see if it works at least in "normal" PPC mode on my system.

Otherwise if that still ends up as not working, with a bridge I should be able to use my PCIe PPC card and see if the M1 is the issue.

If nothing works then it's the A4000D itself

k0x · 13 May 2021, 17:09

Anybody can confirm Ragnarok or Apocalypse card working with ADC-PMC-2-2353?

Thanks for any info

Timtheloon · 14 May 2021, 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

Updated the libraries (See first post). Added support for the PCIe Bigfoot 2100 NIC without having one to my disposal so it probably won't work.

But if you want to test, use the debug versions (with sashimi).

Wow it all happens when I go to sea

Think I have one of these look forward to trialling it but sadly not for another two months until I’m home

Hedeon · 14 May 2021, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timtheloon

Wow it all happens when I go to sea

Think I have one of these look forward to trialling it but sadly not for another two months until I’m home

I looked at the documentation of the MPC8314E which is on the PCIe card and of course they left out the most important bit (literally). The software soft reset bit is not present as it is on the MPC8343E making it impossible to reset just the cpu core (make it jump to vector 0x100) in software.

Hedeon · 14 May 2021, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

Warp3D works fine with Prometheus, there’s just a problem with the K1/M1 that breaks warp3D. Use a different supported ppc and it’s fine

Don't expect everything to work. The voodoo drivers on the prometheus seem less mature than the mediator drivers. The source of the prometheus library came with the 2D voodoo drivers, but they are hopelessly outdated (version 6 while latest was version 7) and won't compile. Same actually as with the prometheus library (source was a year behind the latest 3.1) but that was more easy to fix.

Hedeon · 17 May 2021, 01:21

Been messing a bit further:

1) Turning on the PCIe bridge makes the card that sits in the lowest memory range unreachable (the GFX card). So not sure what is going on there.

2) I have the source to a couple of prometheus components. However, they are hopelessly outdated. I am putting back all the stuff in that I see while disassembling the newest binaries. Thusfar this lead to prometheus.library version 4.0. Bumped the version number as I added 2 functions and loads of code handling the PPC cards. Now also got Prometheus.card back to latest. Bumped version to 7.600. I have the 7.530 binary and the source to 6.503 to give an example.

3) I am also looking at the Voodoo3 source as current driver does not support BE modes. Loads of work still needed there. Source is for version 6.500. Latest binary is 7.11.

4) Looking to add DMA support for the Permedia2 driver. DMA is part of the Prometheus.card driver and not the separate chip drivers, so could be done. I don't have the source for any other gfx driver than Voodoo3 btw.

5) I added 2D support for the Permedia2 to the powerpc.library.

6) Stay away from the Killer/Prometheus combo. Not sure what is wrong, but it won't work (correctly).

I updated the first post with the files. Back-up the ones you use atm.

Hedeon · 19 May 2021, 00:07

Updated first posting with some new revisions, including a beta 3dfxVoodoo3.chip.

Hedeon · 20 May 2021, 21:41

Updated the first post again:

Updated 3dfxVoodoo3.chip (2D driver):
- Now supports Napalm including 15 bit screenmodes.
- Added BE modes for all supported 3dfx cards.

Some remarks:

PPC stalls when writing to Voodoo4/5 cards...68K warp3d works.
Looked into DMA for Permedia2, but does not work.

HelloBeautiful · 21 May 2021, 16:34

I bought two Ramix 237 bridges and they came with Ramix PMC675 ethernet controllers that have 32mb or 64mb ram and a 400mhz PPC. Anyone tried this combo?

grelbfarlk · 21 May 2021, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by HelloBeautiful

I bought two Ramix 237 bridges and they came with Ramix PMC675 ethernet controllers that have 32mb or 64mb ram and a 400mhz PPC. Anyone tried this combo?

That PMC675 has a 440GP on it which has no FPU. Unsupported and probably not worth the effort.

spudje · 22 May 2021, 13:41

I guess I should be collecting my AA3000+ board and start enjoying all your work Hedeon

Thanks so much for all of it!!

jbenam · 24 May 2021, 22:42

Purchased today a Prometheus replica. I hope that lets me solve the mystery of my issues with the M1

I will also help with testing the new Prometheus libraries

grelbfarlk · 24 May 2021, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbenam

Purchased today a Prometheus replica. I hope that lets me solve the mystery of my issues with the M1

I will also help with testing the new Prometheus libraries

Is it the old version of the Prometheus, or a replacement A4000D busboard?

jbenam · 25 May 2021, 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

Is it the old version of the Prometheus, or a replacement A4000D busboard?

Sadly it's a replica of the old version. Oh well, better than nothing, I guess.

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09 May 2021, 09:54	#4741
jbenam Italian Amiga Zealot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Italy Age: 36 Posts: 1,910	@torsti76 Thanks. Okay, it seems to be fairly easy to source P17C9X111SL based bridges, even if they are a bit on the expensive side. Might purchase one of those el-cheapo ones from China just to be sure... Now I have to find one of those Prometheus repros while hese finishes his Firebird for A4000D

09 May 2021, 10:38	#4742
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	It could be money lost. Killer NICs refuse to work with Warp3D on the Prometheus.

09 May 2021, 16:12	#4746
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	Warp3D works fine with Prometheus, there’s just a problem with the K1/M1 that breaks warp3D. Use a different supported ppc and it’s fine

13 May 2021, 17:09	#4748
k0x Registered User Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Ostrava Posts: 124	Anybody can confirm Ragnarok or Apocalypse card working with ADC-PMC-2-2353? Thanks for any info

17 May 2021, 01:21	#4752
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	Been messing a bit further: 1) Turning on the PCIe bridge makes the card that sits in the lowest memory range unreachable (the GFX card). So not sure what is going on there. 2) I have the source to a couple of prometheus components. However, they are hopelessly outdated. I am putting back all the stuff in that I see while disassembling the newest binaries. Thusfar this lead to prometheus.library version 4.0. Bumped the version number as I added 2 functions and loads of code handling the PPC cards. Now also got Prometheus.card back to latest. Bumped version to 7.600. I have the 7.530 binary and the source to 6.503 to give an example. 3) I am also looking at the Voodoo3 source as current driver does not support BE modes. Loads of work still needed there. Source is for version 6.500. Latest binary is 7.11. 4) Looking to add DMA support for the Permedia2 driver. DMA is part of the Prometheus.card driver and not the separate chip drivers, so could be done. I don't have the source for any other gfx driver than Voodoo3 btw. 5) I added 2D support for the Permedia2 to the powerpc.library. 6) Stay away from the Killer/Prometheus combo. Not sure what is wrong, but it won't work (correctly). I updated the first post with the files. Back-up the ones you use atm.

19 May 2021, 00:07	#4753
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	Updated first posting with some new revisions, including a beta 3dfxVoodoo3.chip.

20 May 2021, 21:41	#4754
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	Updated the first post again: Updated 3dfxVoodoo3.chip (2D driver): - Now supports Napalm including 15 bit screenmodes. - Added BE modes for all supported 3dfx cards. Some remarks: PPC stalls when writing to Voodoo4/5 cards...68K warp3d works. Looked into DMA for Permedia2, but does not work.

22 May 2021, 13:41	#4757
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,406	I guess I should be collecting my AA3000+ board and start enjoying all your work Hedeon Thanks so much for all of it!!

24 May 2021, 22:42	#4758
jbenam Italian Amiga Zealot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Italy Age: 36 Posts: 1,910	Purchased today a Prometheus replica. I hope that lets me solve the mystery of my issues with the M1 I will also help with testing the new Prometheus libraries

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