Mutantology + Mutation Gold - Page 3

TCD · 01 June 2010, 17:54

You mean the 'MutationGoldCompilationCD.zip' in the folder 'Amiga CD-ROM' of the file server? I know that Adrian did some different versions, but it's worth a try

Retro1234 · 01 June 2010, 18:05

Cheers I tried that and unfortunately the Games give me software failures

CyberPunks and Doodlebug are versions that work with CD32 pad so im realy after this - If anyone grabbed the ISO please upload

Retro1234 · 01 June 2010, 22:20

I burnt the files to CD and they seem to work under Quickstart CD32 - But ive had no luck running the games from HD -They dont use anything like RNC CD32 loader do they?

This is from the ReadMe
INSTALLING AND RUNNING THE GAMES FROM HARD DRIVE...

Copy the entire 'CONTENTS' of the INSTALLHD
directory on the CDROM to the ROOT DIRECTORY of DH0:
Then run MenuHD and all the titles should run even
faster from your hard drive. You MUST however only
copy the files to DH0: HD0: TH0: etc. and not DH1:
HD2: TH3: etc. or any other partion device name -
else the software will not funtion correctly !.

In some extreme cases your hard drive may also not
be compatible with the HD file system software,
and in this case you will only be able to play the

Josh · 02 June 2010, 00:05

I just uploaded my ISO for you - try this. Maybe it helps.

Cheers Josh

MethodGit · 02 June 2010, 02:15

Actually, Adrian uploaded a much better image at some point that wasn't just created fresh out of an extracted directory - it came in both ISO and CloneCD flavours!

I should have the archive backed up on one of my DVDs somewhere, so I'll up it at some point. May have to wait till tomorrow though.

Retro1234 · 02 June 2010, 11:25

Thanks Guys -@MethodGit That would be great if you still have it

Ive had some luck running from my A1200 HD -I tried CyberPunks and as soon as I press any button expect Pause on my CD32 Pad the game exits - ill have to have a better look.

Retro1234 · 15 June 2010, 20:11

Can anyone shed some light on the problems im haveing with this Running Cyberpunks or Doodle bug from HD

As soon I press any of the Fire buttons its Game Over on my real Amiga I have the Lowlevel.Library they seem to run fine under WinUae QuickStart CD32 but not my A1200 -

Any Ideas would be great

id realy like to use CD32 pad instead of tapping the keyboard with my foot.

Yo MethodGit did you find those CD images?

Adrian Cummings · 26 June 2010, 14:30

All I can add is that the hard disk versions all run fine from a regular Amiga IDE HD with CD32 control pad.

Yes the loader was RNC based.

This is from the old docs...

INSTALLING AND RUNNING THE GAMES FROM HARD DRIVE...

Copy the entire 'CONTENTS' of the INSTALLHD
directory on the CDROM to the ROOT DIRECTORY of DH0:
Then run MenuHD and all the titles should run even
faster from your hard drive. You MUST however only
copy the files to DH0: HD0: TH0: etc. and not DH1:
HD2: TH3: etc. or any other partion device name -
else the software will not funtion correctly !.

In some extreme cases your hard drive may also not
be compatible with the HD file system software,
and in this case you will only be able to play the
games from floppy disk...

Works fine from HD on my Amiga 2200 Hybrid anyway.

Cheers,

Adrian.

Retro1234 · 26 June 2010, 14:47

I know its quite a strange problem, it seems to work fine under WinUae I can only think its because my A1200 is expanded and this is causing some kind of problem -with the CD32 PAD?, ive got Cyberpunks running from ADF/Floppy disk at some point ill see if anyone else with a CD32 pad can test it.
Thanks for the reply

MethodGit · 23 September 2010, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian Cummings

Does the menu not even load on the real CD32? (meaning CD32.TM is missing) or does the menu load but none of the actual games do not (meaning the device path is wrong i.e. not CD0: which would be beyond strange on a real CD32 of course).

I tried Alcohol to make an ISO and Clone CD and here is the new archive containing both versions to download if you wish...

http://bit.ly/MGCALC

The TM file is not seen as a standard file if I remember rightly - rather it is written to a fixed place on the disk when the disk was built... hence this 'may' be the problem with the master Amiga CD->ISO rip on PC - I just don't remember.

Other than that I'm going to have to leave it there for now tho as I have Windows 7 to install on several machines LOL - so good luck ok!

Just thought I'd give a fresh heads up that I just upped this zip file to the EAB Server for preservation.

Now if only I could work out why only Doodlebug and Cyberpunks load correctly from the CD Frontend. I have even worse luck with the HD Frontend as no games want to work at all, and I'm just using the CD³² Quickstart setup.

TCD · 23 September 2010, 22:44

M'kay, that explains it then

MethodGit · 25 September 2010, 17:07

And now we have Mutantology back in public hands also.

Multiple Kudos to Exile.

paulo_becas · 29 April 2011, 11:55

Does anyone have the covers for this compilation scanned?
I can't find them anywere.

TCD · 29 April 2011, 12:22

http://hol.abime.net/4478/boxscan ?

James · 31 January 2013, 19:33

Missed this thread before... I actually own a copy of the Mutation Gold Compilation. This is the front cover...

Retro1234 · 30 December 2015, 04:03

Has anyone ever had this working? For me Cyberpunks or Doodle bug from HD when I press Fire go to Game Over and the other three games are bugged on CD32 - do any of these games work propely CD32 or any Amiga - apparently there was also a Epic marketing release.
Mutation Gold Compilation - only 2 out of 5 games work.

Adrian Cummings · 09 November 2020, 09:47

[Update after a very long time] I have just acquired a CD32 again and will have it here soon.

That means I can retest the original Mutation Software release gold master again and go from there.

It appears that the ISO in circulation after all this time is corrupted after I ran some tests on it in earlier in Jan 2020. That would explain much of the above past I guess - ooops.

I'll see what I can do about a CD32 only CDROM / ISO rerelease if all goes well.

If that works then I can also debug the previously pulled Wiz CD32 release and move on from there with that perhaps.

When I have done all that then I will go back to working on CyberPunks2 LOL

Give me some weeks to see if I can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Adrian

P.S. That Epic/Mutantology release had nothing to do with me for the record and I made no money from it either.

DrBong · 09 November 2020, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian Cummings

[Update after a very long time] I have just acquired a CD32 again and will have it here soon.

That means I can retest the original Mutation Software release gold master again and go from there.

It appears that the ISO in circulation after all this time is corrupted after I ran some tests on it in earlier in Jan 2020. That would explain much of the above past I guess - ooops.

I'll see what I can do about a CD32 only CDROM / ISO rerelease if all goes well.

Is that that the result of a mastering error by the CD duplicating service that was used for the retail release, or is it just specific to the ISO that's been circulated and reported on in this thread?

Quote:

P.S. That Epic/Mutantology release had nothing to do with me for the record and I made no money from it either.

I have an original copy of this, but could never lay my hands on a copy of Mutation Gold.

Just a quick question Adrian, if you don't mind, for my own research....did Epic Marketing have your permission/blessing to release Mutantology, or did they do a dodgy Alive Mediasoft release of your material??!! I can PM you about this, if you prefer not to openly comment on it here.

Predseda · 09 November 2020, 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian Cummings

P.S. That Epic/Mutantology release had nothing to do with me for the record and I made no money from it either.

But they included Wizio, that has direct sequel Wiz 2

Adrian Cummings · 10 November 2020, 08:48

@DrBong The ISO image that has done the rounds for years I think came from a corrupted CDR backup from about 23'ish years ago [Edit: no it didn't - it was made but others at the initial time of this thread from files provided by me]. I found the problems at the start of this year but I won't know for sure until the CD32 arrives and I can run some tests. I now have found the original CDR that I know works 100% on stock CD32 revision 1 laser as I recall testing the entire build all those year ago

I never had the CD pressed as it was way too expensive back then and I think we sold less than <500'ish back then anyway and the rest went in the bin I guess, even now with low numbers of Amiga sales, I am not convinced pressing is the way to go yet and think that all CD releases will be made as ISO downloads in future so people can burn and play them - just an idea at the moment mind and I have yet to explore all options until I can get the build 100% working again on CD32 OK.
Regards the Epic/Mutantology release, I recall I gave them permisison to use the games on that particular compilation but I never saw a dime in payment from any sales of it. Sadly there were some dodgy people around in those days and I would like to further distance myself and Mutation from anything like that as it's just not cool to rip people off. For us here this is primarily about retro fun of doing it but in modern times. If you take that out of the equation then I can honestly say I would no longer wish to do it. My mum (RIP bless her memory) used to be a driving force in the old early starting days of Mutation on Amiga and she would come and haunt me to death I think if I ever tried to hoodwink or rip anybody off or anything like that LOL

@Predseda Yes I never even seen or heard of that game until you mentioend it recently

I think I may of mentioned that Wiz (Amiga) was actually born from an unreleased PC game demo of the same name I wrote for eGames (US) back in 2000 but they never took it up for publishing after Dweebs (PC) was released. I think eGames went bust not long after or something like that. I will try and dig out a picture off the server of the old PC Wiz game if I can find it and post it here.

Thanks,

Adrian

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30 December 2015, 04:03	#56
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Has anyone ever had this working? For me Cyberpunks or Doodle bug from HD when I press Fire go to Game Over and the other three games are bugged on CD32 - do any of these games work propely CD32 or any Amiga - apparently there was also a Epic marketing release. Mutation Gold Compilation - only 2 out of 5 games work. Last edited by Retro1234; 30 December 2015 at 04:09.

10 November 2020, 08:48	#60
Adrian Cummings Mutation/AmigaDweeb Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sconnie Botland Age: 59 Posts: 805	@DrBong The ISO image that has done the rounds for years I think came from a corrupted CDR backup from about 23'ish years ago [Edit: no it didn't - it was made but others at the initial time of this thread from files provided by me]. I found the problems at the start of this year but I won't know for sure until the CD32 arrives and I can run some tests. I now have found the original CDR that I know works 100% on stock CD32 revision 1 laser as I recall testing the entire build all those year ago I never had the CD pressed as it was way too expensive back then and I think we sold less than <500'ish back then anyway and the rest went in the bin I guess, even now with low numbers of Amiga sales, I am not convinced pressing is the way to go yet and think that all CD releases will be made as ISO downloads in future so people can burn and play them - just an idea at the moment mind and I have yet to explore all options until I can get the build 100% working again on CD32 OK. Regards the Epic/Mutantology release, I recall I gave them permisison to use the games on that particular compilation but I never saw a dime in payment from any sales of it. Sadly there were some dodgy people around in those days and I would like to further distance myself and Mutation from anything like that as it's just not cool to rip people off. For us here this is primarily about retro fun of doing it but in modern times. If you take that out of the equation then I can honestly say I would no longer wish to do it. My mum (RIP bless her memory) used to be a driving force in the old early starting days of Mutation on Amiga and she would come and haunt me to death I think if I ever tried to hoodwink or rip anybody off or anything like that LOL @Predseda Yes I never even seen or heard of that game until you mentioend it recently I think I may of mentioned that Wiz (Amiga) was actually born from an unreleased PC game demo of the same name I wrote for eGames (US) back in 2000 but they never took it up for publishing after Dweebs (PC) was released. I think eGames went bust not long after or something like that. I will try and dig out a picture off the server of the old PC Wiz game if I can find it and post it here. Thanks, Adrian [Edit] Last edited by Adrian Cummings; 10 November 2020 at 09:38.

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01 June 2010, 17:54	#41
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	You mean the 'MutationGoldCompilationCD.zip' in the folder 'Amiga CD-ROM' of the file server? I know that Adrian did some different versions, but it's worth a try

01 June 2010, 18:05	#42
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Cheers I tried that and unfortunately the Games give me software failures CyberPunks and Doodlebug are versions that work with CD32 pad so im realy after this - If anyone grabbed the ISO please upload

01 June 2010, 22:20	#43
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	I burnt the files to CD and they seem to work under Quickstart CD32 - But ive had no luck running the games from HD -They dont use anything like RNC CD32 loader do they? This is from the ReadMe INSTALLING AND RUNNING THE GAMES FROM HARD DRIVE... Copy the entire 'CONTENTS' of the INSTALLHD directory on the CDROM to the ROOT DIRECTORY of DH0: Then run MenuHD and all the titles should run even faster from your hard drive. You MUST however only copy the files to DH0: HD0: TH0: etc. and not DH1: HD2: TH3: etc. or any other partion device name - else the software will not funtion correctly !. In some extreme cases your hard drive may also not be compatible with the HD file system software, and in this case you will only be able to play the

02 June 2010, 00:05	#44
Josh Lord of Amiga-Manuals Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kassel / Germany Age: 53 Posts: 552	I just uploaded my ISO for you - try this. Maybe it helps. Cheers Josh

02 June 2010, 02:15	#45
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	Actually, Adrian uploaded a much better image at some point that wasn't just created fresh out of an extracted directory - it came in both ISO and CloneCD flavours! I should have the archive backed up on one of my DVDs somewhere, so I'll up it at some point. May have to wait till tomorrow though.

02 June 2010, 11:25	#46
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Thanks Guys -@MethodGit That would be great if you still have it Ive had some luck running from my A1200 HD -I tried CyberPunks and as soon as I press any button expect Pause on my CD32 Pad the game exits - ill have to have a better look.

15 June 2010, 20:11	#47
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Can anyone shed some light on the problems im haveing with this Running Cyberpunks or Doodle bug from HD As soon I press any of the Fire buttons its Game Over on my real Amiga I have the Lowlevel.Library they seem to run fine under WinUae QuickStart CD32 but not my A1200 - Any Ideas would be great id realy like to use CD32 pad instead of tapping the keyboard with my foot. Yo MethodGit did you find those CD images?

26 June 2010, 14:30	#48
Adrian Cummings Mutation/AmigaDweeb Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sconnie Botland Age: 59 Posts: 805	All I can add is that the hard disk versions all run fine from a regular Amiga IDE HD with CD32 control pad. Yes the loader was RNC based. This is from the old docs... INSTALLING AND RUNNING THE GAMES FROM HARD DRIVE... Copy the entire 'CONTENTS' of the INSTALLHD directory on the CDROM to the ROOT DIRECTORY of DH0: Then run MenuHD and all the titles should run even faster from your hard drive. You MUST however only copy the files to DH0: HD0: TH0: etc. and not DH1: HD2: TH3: etc. or any other partion device name - else the software will not funtion correctly !. In some extreme cases your hard drive may also not be compatible with the HD file system software, and in this case you will only be able to play the games from floppy disk... Works fine from HD on my Amiga 2200 Hybrid anyway. Cheers, Adrian.

26 June 2010, 14:47	#49
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	I know its quite a strange problem, it seems to work fine under WinUae I can only think its because my A1200 is expanded and this is causing some kind of problem -with the CD32 PAD?, ive got Cyberpunks running from ADF/Floppy disk at some point ill see if anyone else with a CD32 pad can test it. Thanks for the reply

23 September 2010, 22:44	#51
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	M'kay, that explains it then

25 September 2010, 17:07	#52
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	And now we have Mutantology back in public hands also. Multiple Kudos to Exile.

29 April 2011, 11:55	#53
paulo_becas Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Porto, Portugal Posts: 464	Does anyone have the covers for this compilation scanned? I can't find them anywere.

29 April 2011, 12:22	#54
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	http://hol.abime.net/4478/boxscan ?

31 January 2013, 19:33	#55
James Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Beckenham/England Posts: 795	Missed this thread before... I actually own a copy of the Mutation Gold Compilation. This is the front cover...

09 November 2020, 09:47	#57
Adrian Cummings Mutation/AmigaDweeb Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sconnie Botland Age: 59 Posts: 805	[Update after a very long time] I have just acquired a CD32 again and will have it here soon. That means I can retest the original Mutation Software release gold master again and go from there. It appears that the ISO in circulation after all this time is corrupted after I ran some tests on it in earlier in Jan 2020. That would explain much of the above past I guess - ooops. I'll see what I can do about a CD32 only CDROM / ISO rerelease if all goes well. If that works then I can also debug the previously pulled Wiz CD32 release and move on from there with that perhaps. When I have done all that then I will go back to working on CyberPunks2 LOL Give me some weeks to see if I can pull a rabbit out of the hat. Adrian P.S. That Epic/Mutantology release had nothing to do with me for the record and I made no money from it either.

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