Another World available for MorphOS, Win32, MacOS and XBox - Page 2

fiath · 20 May 2004, 12:46

Jim:

In most countries reverse engineering is completely legal, and creating another system that does the same thing is completely legal. If you get "inside info" or obtain information on the system in any illegal way, then the product you create is also illegal.

See Sony vs. bleem! case.

By the same argument, it is not legal to release Kickstart ROM's - because they the property of their respective owners, it is nothing you created. However, if you created an Amiga emulator you could reverse engineer the system in such a way that it would not need the ROMs (i.e. to find out what they are needed for, and simulate those calls) and thus your Amiga emulator could still be completely legal. Exactly this happened with bleem! and it was proven 100% legal.

Take ScummVM, it implements a reverse engineered version of the game engine created by Lucas Arts. Since it contains no material from the original games it is legal (assuming you didn't get any inside info, etc - something difficult to prove either way).

About Coca-Cola. How would you reverse engineer that? Even if you could, how would you be able to prove that you did not just take the recipe which was published in the Sun newspaper a few years ago?

MethodGit · 20 May 2004, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Fuck I didnt get to download it!!!!!!!!!

Say Ak, isn't it about time you checked out the Page Beginning With Z?

21 May 2004, 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Just ask Pepsico. Inc.

But Pepsi Cola don't sound like Coca-Cola, the packaging (stuff you see) don't look like Coca-Cola and it certainly don't taste like Coca-Cola. Jim's Joca Jola was gonna look just like it, taste like it and sound like it. But I wasn't going to be buying up stocks of Coca-Cola and repackaging it. I was gonna make it from the ground up by using the usual ingredients of sugar, nitric acid, drain cleaner and stuff.

This Another World clone looks like Another World, plays like Another World. Therefor it infringes the copyright of Another World. In the United States "fair use" laws might allow someone who owns DOS original to rip their files to play this new version, but in most countries it would be considered copyright violation.

But ethically it is wrong to be freely distributing a rip-off/clone/clever open source version of a currently (or about to be) active game, unless you are dealing with mega-corporations.

tomcat666 · 21 May 2004, 07:32

Thanx MethodGit !

now, any1 has the GBA version of it ? Someone must of have downloaded the thing ...

manicx · 21 May 2004, 10:41

DOS Version

http://www.dosgamesonline.com/spellen/anotherworld.zip

MacOS Version

http://www.ewtoo.org/~matt/forums/raw-0.1.1-osx.zip

MethodGit · 21 May 2004, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcat666

Thanx MethodGit !

now, any1 has the GBA version of it ? Someone must of have downloaded the thing ...

Z0n3d!!!111

MethodGit · 21 May 2004, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by manicx

DOS Version

http://www.dosgamesonline.com/spellen/anotherworld.zip

MacOS Version

http://www.ewtoo.org/~matt/forums/raw-0.1.1-osx.zip

Say, thanks for preserving the Mac port as well!

I wonder if we can preserve all the raw files originally available from the homepage (both 0.1.0 and 0.1.1)? Did you download everything else?

tomcat666 · 21 May 2004, 17:16

MethodGit - You certainly rule !

How did you get it ? I tried Google and every possible result... but nothing. I even tried translating some French stuff on that Forum where it was supposed to be - to no avail

Really nice ! You deserve a beer

Big-Byte · 21 May 2004, 17:33

Ive got this game for sale for the SNES atm on ebay..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sPageName=WDVW

1 day left.... (I have other snes games listed too)

Amiga1992 · 21 May 2004, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodGit

Say Ak, isn't it about time you checked out the Page Beginning With Z?

I wanted the OS X Version, thankss manic!

MethodGit · 21 May 2004, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by adolescent

And it's gone... I saw it for DC also. Would have liked to check that out.

http://www.dcemu.co.uk/rawdc.shtml

MethodGit · 21 May 2004, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I wanted the OS X Version, thankss manic!

I see.

Thought you still had your trusty Win98 box with yas?

MethodGit · 21 May 2004, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcat666

MethodGit - You certainly rule !

How did you get it ? I tried Google and every possible result... but nothing. I even tried translating some French stuff on that Forum where it was supposed to be - to no avail

Let's just say that I was lucky to grab it off the site before Mr. Chahi came storming in to, as MCA of Beastie Boys once lyriced, "disrupt the whole scene".

I just hope Chahi does something regarding a re-release this year - it wouldn't be fair to leave this raw project rotting in a dormant manner for almost an eternity.

Quote:

Really nice ! You deserve a beer

Hmmmm, what beer would you suggest?

tomcat666 · 21 May 2004, 20:22

MethodGit: Nice to see you were fast enough on the sites to be able to grab them before mr. Chahi could ;-) I contacted the author of the GBA remake and he said that there is a possibility that HIS GBA version will be sold by Chahi in the future - so they will both make money from it - if it gets released (and if it sells ofcourse ;-) ). I just hope he doesn't get screwed over like Richard Jordan almost did with Fairlight... time will tell.

Mr Softy · 21 May 2004, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcat666

I contacted the author of the GBA remake and he said that there is a possibility that HIS GBA version will be sold by Chahi in the future - so they will both make money from it - if it gets released (and if it sells ofcourse ;-) ). I just hope he doesn't get screwed over like Richard Jordan almost did with Fairlight... time will tell.

Hey - if a GBA port is going to be sold, Mr Softy is going to buy it...

For sure!

Amiga1992 · 21 May 2004, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodGit

I see.

Thought you still had your trusty Win98 box with yas?

I do, but I preffer to use my iBook. 'Tis portable, you know?

"Ch-chek-check-ch-check it out!"
I wonder if it works with the original MacOS datafiles? It's got a higher rez and all y'see.

DrBong · 24 May 2004, 15:59

Did anyone manage to grab the MorphOS version?

plasmatron · 25 May 2004, 22:05

It is also available for GBA now.
Home made of course.

Check .
http://www.gba-nfo.com/gba_home.php

manicx · 03 September 2004, 14:08

Bump!

Interview with Eric Chani

http://www.idlethumbs.net/display.php?id=44

Cool portrait image! Very AWish...

stainy · 03 September 2004, 19:21

Heart Of Darkness? never heard of that.. what platforms did that come out on then ?
obviously I would look myself but I`m about to go out on call

hmmppfff

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20 May 2004, 12:46	#21
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Jim: In most countries reverse engineering is completely legal, and creating another system that does the same thing is completely legal. If you get "inside info" or obtain information on the system in any illegal way, then the product you create is also illegal. See Sony vs. bleem! case. By the same argument, it is not legal to release Kickstart ROM's - because they the property of their respective owners, it is nothing you created. However, if you created an Amiga emulator you could reverse engineer the system in such a way that it would not need the ROMs (i.e. to find out what they are needed for, and simulate those calls) and thus your Amiga emulator could still be completely legal. Exactly this happened with bleem! and it was proven 100% legal. Take ScummVM, it implements a reverse engineered version of the game engine created by Lucas Arts. Since it contains no material from the original games it is legal (assuming you didn't get any inside info, etc - something difficult to prove either way). About Coca-Cola. How would you reverse engineer that? Even if you could, how would you be able to prove that you did not just take the recipe which was published in the Sun newspaper a few years ago?

21 May 2004, 07:32	#24
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	Thanx MethodGit ! now, any1 has the GBA version of it ? Someone must of have downloaded the thing ...

21 May 2004, 10:41	#25
manicx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 991	DOS Version http://www.dosgamesonline.com/spellen/anotherworld.zip MacOS Version http://www.ewtoo.org/~matt/forums/raw-0.1.1-osx.zip

21 May 2004, 17:16	#28
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	MethodGit - You certainly rule ! How did you get it ? I tried Google and every possible result... but nothing. I even tried translating some French stuff on that Forum where it was supposed to be - to no avail Really nice ! You deserve a beer

21 May 2004, 17:33	#29
Big-Byte Long time member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: UK Posts: 754	Ive got this game for sale for the SNES atm on ebay.. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sPageName=WDVW 1 day left.... (I have other snes games listed too)

21 May 2004, 20:22	#34
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	MethodGit: Nice to see you were fast enough on the sites to be able to grab them before mr. Chahi could ;-) I contacted the author of the GBA remake and he said that there is a possibility that HIS GBA version will be sold by Chahi in the future - so they will both make money from it - if it gets released (and if it sells ofcourse ;-) ). I just hope he doesn't get screwed over like Richard Jordan almost did with Fairlight... time will tell.

24 May 2004, 15:59	#37
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 2,632	Did anyone manage to grab the MorphOS version?

25 May 2004, 22:05	#38
plasmatron Zone Friend Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Age: 48 Posts: 967	It is also available for GBA now. Home made of course. Check . http://www.gba-nfo.com/gba_home.php

03 September 2004, 14:08	#39
manicx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 991	Bump! Interview with Eric Chani http://www.idlethumbs.net/display.php?id=44 Cool portrait image! Very AWish...

03 September 2004, 19:21	#40
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	Heart Of Darkness? never heard of that.. what platforms did that come out on then ? obviously I would look myself but I`m about to go out on call hmmppfff

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