Can overscan and parallax scrolling live together on Amiga?

[kkong]

Originally Posted by kremiso

in this @vulture one, some overscan titles are also present, marked with (O) :

https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p...40&postcount=1

Pac-Mania uses overscan but isn't marked as such on that list.

[vulture]

"The grading of the games in the list is not complete regarding the (N) , (FS) and (O) attributes, just what is checked so far."

Marked Pacmania, thx!

[kremiso]

wondering if that very large horizontal area used in that Fire! game can be full displayed correctly with newest monitors
i suppose yes

its interesting more titles used a larger vertical area as overscan, as ie Jim Power seems doing

maybe preferred due the @ross mentioned issues, horizontally talking

[touko]

kid chaos did it perfectly;and with 2 layers .
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[Photon]

Originally Posted by touko

kid chaos did it perfectly;and with 2 layers .
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It is an Amiga-First game (as per my previous comment), and it not only uses a second parallax layer, but also 3 zones for that layer to accommodate sky, forest, and a ground parallax with a bit of perspective, animated foreground (at least the waterline), and music+SFX. A technically accomplished game.

It looks to be a bit like Sonic, I'm in a bit of an arcade mood so I'm trying games again. Could be fun if there's less map-memorizing like for Sonic. I should try it.

Should be posted in that Megadrive thread for some

[kremiso]

yeah, Kid Chaos seems the better entry, as gfx features used combined with wide video area displayed

horizontally, seems using the same Jim Power screen size, it seems full screen more than overscan, not sure

some games used an even larger one, despite yes inferior as things on screen

@Photon imo it does require a trainer to be better played, as it is it lacks on playability

[touko]

Originally Posted by Photon

It looks to be a bit like Sonic, I'm in a bit of an arcade mood so I'm trying games again. Could be fun if there's less map-memorizing like for Sonic. I should try it.

you didn't know this game ?

Originally Posted by Photon

A technically accomplished game.

I agree totaly, i don't know how people can always take SOTB for the technical showcase of what amiga can do, when kid chaos destroy it in every way, except for musics maybe,beast musics are really master pieces .

Originally Posted by Photon

Should be posted in that Megadrive thread for some

Not a bad idea .

@Photon imo it does require a trainer to be better played, as it is it lacks on playability

Yeah, it looks and smell like sonic, but without the fun and playability, a good game though .

Another exemple of what the MD and snes can't do but amiga did(at 55:31) :
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8 way scrolling+2 layers of parallaxes+a real time zooming boss with palette change .

[DanScott]

Originally Posted by touko

8 way scrolling+2 layers of parallaxes+a real time zooming boss with palette change .

Background parallax layer is just 2 x hardware sprites repeated down the screen.

The SNES can easily do that zooming (maybe the MD could too actually )

[AestheticDebris]

Originally Posted by DanScott

Background parallax layer is just 2 x hardware sprites repeated down the screen.

The SNES can easily do that zooming (maybe the MD could too actually )

Yeah, fairly primitive for a SNES, just have a Mode 7 layer with the boss on and you can zoom it easily. There are various in game examples like Bowser fight in SMW or various enemies in R-Type 3. The only difference is a SNES equivalent would probably rotate it at the same time to look extra snazzy.

[Tigerskunk]

Originally Posted by touko

I agree totaly, i don't know how people can always take SOTB for the technical showcase of what amiga can do, when kid chaos destroy it in every way, except for musics maybe,beast musics are really master pieces .

Maybe because Beast looked beautiful, and Kid Chaos looks like puke?

[touko]

Originally Posted by Tigerskunk

Maybe because Beast looked beautiful, and Kid Chaos looks like puke?

No, but because most have no technical clues(or simply don't know KC),and beast is probably the most known, it's a 1989 game and KC a 1994 one .

[DanScott]

I'm with Tigerskunk on this one. KC doesn't look particularly great, due to the bobs having to share their palette with the foreground layer (everything kind of blends together and looks a bit dull). Lionheart also suffers from this same issue too.

[gimbal]

Originally Posted by DanScott

I'm with Tigerskunk on this one. KC doesn't look particularly great, due to the bobs having to share their palette with the foreground layer (everything kind of blends together and looks a bit dull). Lionheart also suffers from this same issue too.

Well then you're not with Tigerskunk at all because they used the phrase, and I quote: it looks like puke. A gross exaggeration if ever I saw one.

[touko]

Originally Posted by DanScott

I'm with Tigerskunk on this one. KC doesn't look particularly great, due to the bobs having to share their palette with the foreground layer (everything kind of blends together and looks a bit dull). Lionheart also suffers from this same issue too.

Beast is sublimated mainly by its audio atmosphere, the forest level is beautiful and well suited for the music, but the rest is so classic .

Well then you're not with Tigerskunk at all because they used the phrase, and I quote: it looks like puke. A gross exaggeration if ever I saw one.

Totally .

The SNES can easily do that zooming (maybe the MD could too actually )

No because you must use M7 for it, so only 1 background layer, and the snes has not enought sprite pixels / line to do all the other stuffs with sprites .

[lionagony]

Originally Posted by DanScott

Background parallax layer is just 2 x hardware sprites repeated down the screen.

The SNES can easily do that zooming (maybe the MD could too actually )

Well here's that same boss fight in the unreleased Mr Nutz 2 for the Mega Drive with no zooming (at 1:45:00) [ Show youtube player ]

[touko]

Puggsy MD has un zooming boss, but clearly not the same as Mr nutz(45:32) :
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[gimbal]

Originally Posted by touko

Totally .

Okay the pun was kind of the goal. But still, I stand by it. I like the fall tones that the game has, the only thing that is off is the dopey look of the character itself. Tonally just doesn't fit with the rest of the game.

[kremiso]

iirc Probotector on Megadrive had some zooming effects too
i think to remember ie one later boss (maybe the last one) with almost the entire screen zooming in and out, impressive

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about Beast, that forest outdoor landscape never gets old
i was reading details about this (and other platforms too) into the Codetapper site :

https://codetapper.com/amiga/sprite-...-of-the-beast/

[sokolovic]

Lol.
Here we go again with someone posting a technical marvel on the Amiga and serious people coming to minimize the coding performance saying that the SNES or the MD could handle it (even if the MD version doesn't handle it, in fact, because if it could it would have been on the MD version, as for the bonus stages).

Mr Nutz is a true masterpiece on the Amiga. I really don't get why peoples praise averages games like Zool or Superfrog over it (even back then). The sprites blending problem seems very over exagerated to me. The game is very playable and well balanced.
And on top of that the MD version lacks many elements from the original version. Strangely, nobody concludes that this is a proof of the Amiga hardware superiority yet comparaisons between Turrican 3 and Mega Turrican (by mostly the same team) are generally used to prove definitive superiority of the MD hardware.

[lionagony]

Originally Posted by sokolovic

Lol.
Here we go again with someone posting a technical marvel on the Amiga and serious people coming to minimize the coding performance saying that the SNES or the MD could handle it (even if the MD version doesn't handle it, in fact, because if it could it would have been on the MD version, as for the bonus stages).

Mr Nutz is a true masterpiece on the Amiga. I really don't get why peoples praise averages games like Zool or Superfrog over it (even back then). The sprites blending problem seems very over exagerated to me. The game is very playable and well balanced.
And on top of that the MD version lacks many elements from the original version. Strangely, nobody concludes that this is a proof of the Amiga hardware superiority yet comparaisons between Turrican 3 and Mega Turrican (by mostly the same team) are generally used to prove definitive superiority of the MD hardware.

Great point! It's almost like people have an inferiority complex about the Amiga just because it didn't come from the slickly marketed behemoth's Nintendo or Sega. In contrast I have a superiority complex when I use the Amiga because it's the best