Advantages of KS3.1

Rabbit80 · 11 May 2009, 14:50

Now that I finally have my A1200 running properly with CF and 8Mb Fast RAM - are there any advantages to upgrading to KS3.1? (Currently on 3.0 ROMs)

Would it be sufficient to softkick 3.1 - or can anyone burn some ROMs for me? (I own AmigaForever 2008 so legally have a copy anyway) How would I go about softkicking - what software do I need?

Also - WHDLoad seems to not like the 3.1 A1200 ROM from Cloanto - some games refuse to run with an "invalid kickstart image" message - eg Frontier. Would upgrading my ROM's cure this? (Although I could simply dump them if I change the chips!)

Are there any disadvantages to either method?

Predseda · 11 May 2009, 14:53

I have A1200 with 3.0 ROMs and now I changed my workbench from 3.0 to 3.1. The only difference I can see is that icon-border-removing utilities don't work properly now

cosmicfrog · 11 May 2009, 15:11

nice to see that motherboard is getting some use rabbit

KS3.1 would let you run any of the workbenches 3.5 and 3.9
and be most compatable with some utils or tools that need it

if you get someone to make you a rom at least make sure they upgrade the scsi.device
as for utilities to soft kick an ks3.1 search aminet for soft and kick and I`m sure you will find something, relokick rings bells in my head but haven`t softkicked an amiga in over 15 years

as for WHDLoad I think Cloanto roms are encrypted so if all you did is just copy the rom that might explain why it did`t work

Rabbit80 · 11 May 2009, 15:17

Hehe - thanks cosmic.. The boards working beautifully although I have issues with loading games from floppy disk (I think it is my drive at fault though)

I'm aware that the Cloanto roms are encrypted but all the others work so long as the rom.key file is in the kickstarts folder with them!

Is the only advantage to KS3.1 that I can run WB3.5 and 3.9? How slow/fast would they run on an 020?

alexh · 11 May 2009, 15:29

How much fast RAM you got? More than 6Mbytes and you'll probably be all right.

Rabbit80 · 11 May 2009, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

How much fast RAM you got? More than 6Mbytes and you'll probably be all right.

8Mb

pbareges · 11 May 2009, 16:06

ks3.1 is mainly patching a few bugs within 3.0 roms and introduce some functions such writechunkypixels i think...there are some software patches you can add to your s:startup-sequence that can process these fixes (and more..) without the need to upgrade the rom...the best i know is systempatch (check the last version available... it includes a great patch to writechunkypixels function to optimize it and this way makes games like day of the tentacle totally playable on a vanilla 1200 with fastram!! also it helped to solve some strange issues i had with ide cf 4gb with some old jst installs freezing...don't worry guys i checked for maxtransfer but this was not the issue...)

Retro1234 · 11 May 2009, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabbit80

Is the only advantage to KS3.1 that I can run WB3.5 and 3.9? How slow/fast would they run on an 020?

Ive been running OS3.5 on my A1200 3.0 roms for a little while now and it seems fine amidock from 3.9 is working fine.the only thing ive noticed is the Icon editor from 3.5 doesnt work on 3.0 roms.

Rabbit80 · 11 May 2009, 19:19

So - no real advantages to it then? I might give it a go anyway sometime..

DoogUK · 11 May 2009, 19:34

Bug fixes means better and more reliable...thats reason enough.

Retro-Nerd · 11 May 2009, 19:37

The most useful improvement is probably the delayed boot of the Kickstart. So some newer IDE hdds (with a slow spin-up) are mounted properly.

prowler · 11 May 2009, 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

The most useful improvement is probably the delayed boot of the Kickstart. So some newer IDE hdds (with a slow spin-up) are mounted properly.

Rabbit80 · 11 May 2009, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

The most useful improvement is probably the delayed boot of the Kickstart. So some newer IDE hdds (with a slow spin-up) are mounted properly.

Irrelevant since I'm using CF

Rabbit80 · 11 May 2009, 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoogUK

Bug fixes means better and more reliable...thats reason enough.

Any list of bug fixes / new features anywhere?

Retro-Nerd · 11 May 2009, 19:46

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=427447&postcount=14

DoogUK · 11 May 2009, 19:50

http://www.gregdonner.org/

alexh · 11 May 2009, 20:05

Isn't everyone on KS3.9 by now?

Either home-made EPROMs or using a flash device such as Kickflash, Deneb, Algor Pro or eZflash.

All the tools are out there. It adds new scsi.device so you can boot from CD-ROM, no reboots due to ROM updates. If you have an A1200 you can (reportedly) include the CF driver and boot from CF cards in the PCMCIA slot.

frikilokooo · 12 May 2009, 00:25

Is there any acelerator that need 3.1?

frikilokooo · 12 May 2009, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Isn't everyone on KS3.9 by now?

where can I buy KS3.9?please

Rabbit80 · 12 May 2009, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by frikilokooo

where can I buy KS3.9?please

I get the impression it involves some hackery!

11 May 2009, 14:50	#1
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	Advantages of KS3.1 Now that I finally have my A1200 running properly with CF and 8Mb Fast RAM - are there any advantages to upgrading to KS3.1? (Currently on 3.0 ROMs) Would it be sufficient to softkick 3.1 - or can anyone burn some ROMs for me? (I own AmigaForever 2008 so legally have a copy anyway) How would I go about softkicking - what software do I need? Also - WHDLoad seems to not like the 3.1 A1200 ROM from Cloanto - some games refuse to run with an "invalid kickstart image" message - eg Frontier. Would upgrading my ROM's cure this? (Although I could simply dump them if I change the chips!) Are there any disadvantages to either method?

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11 May 2009, 14:53	#2
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	I have A1200 with 3.0 ROMs and now I changed my workbench from 3.0 to 3.1. The only difference I can see is that icon-border-removing utilities don't work properly now

11 May 2009, 15:11	#3
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	nice to see that motherboard is getting some use rabbit KS3.1 would let you run any of the workbenches 3.5 and 3.9 and be most compatable with some utils or tools that need it if you get someone to make you a rom at least make sure they upgrade the scsi.device as for utilities to soft kick an ks3.1 search aminet for soft and kick and I`m sure you will find something, relokick rings bells in my head but haven`t softkicked an amiga in over 15 years as for WHDLoad I think Cloanto roms are encrypted so if all you did is just copy the rom that might explain why it did`t work

11 May 2009, 15:17	#4
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	Hehe - thanks cosmic.. The boards working beautifully although I have issues with loading games from floppy disk (I think it is my drive at fault though) I'm aware that the Cloanto roms are encrypted but all the others work so long as the rom.key file is in the kickstarts folder with them! Is the only advantage to KS3.1 that I can run WB3.5 and 3.9? How slow/fast would they run on an 020?

11 May 2009, 15:29	#5
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,332	How much fast RAM you got? More than 6Mbytes and you'll probably be all right.

11 May 2009, 16:06	#7
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	ks3.1 is mainly patching a few bugs within 3.0 roms and introduce some functions such writechunkypixels i think...there are some software patches you can add to your s:startup-sequence that can process these fixes (and more..) without the need to upgrade the rom...the best i know is systempatch (check the last version available... it includes a great patch to writechunkypixels function to optimize it and this way makes games like day of the tentacle totally playable on a vanilla 1200 with fastram!! also it helped to solve some strange issues i had with ide cf 4gb with some old jst installs freezing...don't worry guys i checked for maxtransfer but this was not the issue...)

11 May 2009, 19:19	#9
Rabbit80 Its hard being famous! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Gateway to the dales, UK Age: 43 Posts: 633	So - no real advantages to it then? I might give it a go anyway sometime..

11 May 2009, 19:34	#10
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	Bug fixes means better and more reliable...thats reason enough.

11 May 2009, 19:37	#11
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	The most useful improvement is probably the delayed boot of the Kickstart. So some newer IDE hdds (with a slow spin-up) are mounted properly.

11 May 2009, 19:46	#15
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=427447&postcount=14

11 May 2009, 19:50	#16
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	http://www.gregdonner.org/

11 May 2009, 20:05	#17
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,332	Isn't everyone on KS3.9 by now? Either home-made EPROMs or using a flash device such as Kickflash, Deneb, Algor Pro or eZflash. All the tools are out there. It adds new scsi.device so you can boot from CD-ROM, no reboots due to ROM updates. If you have an A1200 you can (reportedly) include the CF driver and boot from CF cards in the PCMCIA slot.

12 May 2009, 00:25	#18
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	Is there any acelerator that need 3.1?

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