S.T.U.N. Runner, how could this be SOOOOOO bad????

ZEUSDAZ · 14 March 2021, 21:30

If you're a fan of the original arcade version and was looking forward to playing it on your Amiga back in the day then no doubt tears were flowing

I give you S.T.U.N. Runner shit game time video review, I hope you enjoy it and would love to hear your thoughts of this utter dire conversion

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Galahad/FLT · 14 March 2021, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZEUSDAZ

If you're a fan of the original arcade version and was looking forward to playing it on your Amiga back in the day then no doubt tears were flowing

I give you S.T.U.N. Runner shit game time video review, I hope you enjoy it and would love to hear your thoughts of this utter dire conversion

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Some guy speeded it up for the WHDLoad version.

Its at least playable on that.

ZEUSDAZ · 14 March 2021, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Some guy speeded it up for the WHDLoad version.

Its at least playable on that.

Yeah but we still cannot allow the programmers to get away with not taking a trip down the toilet tube because it can be speeded up with trickery,...can we?! NOPE!

dlfrsilver · 14 March 2021, 21:55

It's an ST port, like all the domark games. No effort, lazy ass

jotd · 14 March 2021, 22:04

Prime Mover wasn't 3D

There are good Domark games. Not a lot I can remember now

But some arcade conversions were okay. For me Domark is almost on par with US gold...

Good ones: Super Space Invaders, Escape from the planet of robot monsters, Badlands for instance

Galahad/FLT · 14 March 2021, 22:08

The thing is, most of STUN Runner could have been cheated on Amiga and probably ST and it would have played quite fast.

Quite why they went down the proper vector route when the arcade machine was pretty damned powerful is a mystery

jotd · 14 March 2021, 22:11

cheated with Lotus-like 3D and color cycling for the tunnels ... probably yes.

Seiya · 14 March 2021, 22:40

even if simple 3D, 68000 has always had bad performance in games like that, but maybe this one has very slow 3D routines.

OmegaMax · 14 March 2021, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

The thing is, most of STUN Runner could have been cheated on Amiga and probably ST and it would have played quite fast.

Quite why they went down the proper vector route when the arcade machine was pretty damned powerful is a mystery

Agreed

saimon69 · 15 March 2021, 00:02

Mr Friederich made the very good port of Star Wars but did suck on Hard Drivin and here i think some of the routines are the same beside being an ST port and having an EGA palette

[EDIT] i did look around and seem an almost 1:1 port of the PC version; have the feeling the graphics and code was first done on PC using C then ported almost 1:1 to Amiga and ST to save time - and that means vectors in 16 color mode and not 8 like usually Amiga and ST do [usually much slower]

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dlfrsilver · 15 March 2021, 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Prime Mover wasn't 3D

There are good Domark games. Not a lot I can remember now

But some arcade conversions were okay. For me Domark is almost on par with US gold...

Good ones: Super Space Invaders, Escape from the planet of robot monsters, Badlands for instance

Most Domark games have the St palette bug, are slow, awful to play with.

Super Space Invaders graphics looks like ST graphics, not amiga.

Escape from Planet is OK.

Stunn Runner Arcade use a DSP 32010. ok, that's complicated, but honestly, starting a game from the ST will never bring the game right on the Amiga.

But so many others are awful......

gimbal · 15 March 2021, 14:42

Ugh... this game gives me a head ache just by looking at it. Definitely a proper shit-time game.

Nobby_UK · 15 March 2021, 15:42

£25 actually or £8 on re-release

Just had a go of the Whdload version = Too Fast (040 emulated)
and crashed with a Line 1111 emulator exception.

grond · 15 March 2021, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

cheated with Lotus-like 3D and color cycling for the tunnels ... probably yes.

I think in the tunnel scenes the FPS could be improved quite a bit if only areas with coordinates made up of the previous screen and the current screen were redrawn/updated. This would correspond to the areas that may have changed. Obviously this would need some additional CPU complexity but it should pay off on the filling time (always hard to predict for plain 68000 without actually trying it). The primary tunnel colours should be set in the same single bitplane and only the additional objects and the tunnel floor should need extra bitplanes. I wouldn't consider any of this cheating.

Galahad/FLT · 15 March 2021, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nobby_UK

£25 actually or £8 on re-release

Just had a go of the Whdload version = Too Fast (040 emulated)
and crashed with a Line 1111 emulator exception.

Odd, when I did the install on my then 060, it worked fine

rothers · 15 March 2021, 16:58

Could have been a seriously impressive game if they had gone done a Stardust 3D style approach.

Konrad · 15 March 2021, 17:38

Stardust is just a prerendered animation in a straight tunnel. How would this work with a game like this?

Superman · 15 March 2021, 20:05

I was just going to say that I don't remember it being that slow but then I realised I have only played it on Whdload which has clearly been sped up quite a bit.

DamienD · 15 March 2021, 20:15

I need to try this sped up "WHDLoad" version.

Anubis · 15 March 2021, 20:25

And I thought VR will give me headache...

Glad I missed this one back in time...

14 March 2021, 21:30	#1
ZEUSDAZ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: England Posts: 743	S.T.U.N. Runner, how could this be SOOOOOO bad???? If you're a fan of the original arcade version and was looking forward to playing it on your Amiga back in the day then no doubt tears were flowing I give you S.T.U.N. Runner shit game time video review, I hope you enjoy it and would love to hear your thoughts of this utter dire conversion [ Show youtube player ] Last edited by ZEUSDAZ; 02 July 2022 at 00:55.

15 March 2021, 00:02	#10
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,519	Mr Friederich made the very good port of Star Wars but did suck on Hard Drivin and here i think some of the routines are the same beside being an ST port and having an EGA palette [EDIT] i did look around and seem an almost 1:1 port of the PC version; have the feeling the graphics and code was first done on PC using C then ported almost 1:1 to Amiga and ST to save time - and that means vectors in 16 color mode and not 8 like usually Amiga and ST do [usually much slower] [ Show youtube player ] Last edited by saimon69; 15 March 2021 at 00:22.

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14 March 2021, 21:55	#4
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	It's an ST port, like all the domark games. No effort, lazy ass

14 March 2021, 22:04	#5
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,163	Prime Mover wasn't 3D There are good Domark games. Not a lot I can remember now But some arcade conversions were okay. For me Domark is almost on par with US gold... Good ones: Super Space Invaders, Escape from the planet of robot monsters, Badlands for instance

14 March 2021, 22:08	#6
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	The thing is, most of STUN Runner could have been cheated on Amiga and probably ST and it would have played quite fast. Quite why they went down the proper vector route when the arcade machine was pretty damned powerful is a mystery

14 March 2021, 22:11	#7
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,163	cheated with Lotus-like 3D and color cycling for the tunnels ... probably yes.

14 March 2021, 22:40	#8
Seiya Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Italy Posts: 2,342	even if simple 3D, 68000 has always had bad performance in games like that, but maybe this one has very slow 3D routines.

15 March 2021, 14:42	#12
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,908	Ugh... this game gives me a head ache just by looking at it. Definitely a proper shit-time game.

15 March 2021, 15:42	#13
Nobby_UK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,595	£25 actually or £8 on re-release Just had a go of the Whdload version = Too Fast (040 emulated) and crashed with a Line 1111 emulator exception.

15 March 2021, 16:58	#16
rothers Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: UK Posts: 487	Could have been a seriously impressive game if they had gone done a Stardust 3D style approach.

15 March 2021, 17:38	#17
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	Stardust is just a prerendered animation in a straight tunnel. How would this work with a game like this?

15 March 2021, 20:05	#18
Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,334	I was just going to say that I don't remember it being that slow but then I realised I have only played it on Whdload which has clearly been sped up quite a bit.

15 March 2021, 20:15	#19
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	I need to try this sped up "WHDLoad" version.

15 March 2021, 20:25	#20
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,058	And I thought VR will give me headache... Glad I missed this one back in time...

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