I need a dummies guide to making a link with the Amiga & PC with a cable.

MethodGit · 09 October 2001, 22:11

I'm thinking about trying to transfer my Amiga stuff through cable, but I only know the basic gist of how it's done, not on how to actually connect it up properly.

I checked the back of my Hewlett Packard LaserJet 1100 printer (the LPT ports exist in printers only, right?) and noticed two ports: the power one (with a switch next to it), and another port which looks more like a flattened rectangular shaped-thing - is it an LPT port? Sorry, but I don't know a thing about printer ports as of now. Are there any important ports in the main computer that I need to use as well?

Next, is there just one type of null-modem cable or are there several different ones?

As you can see, I'd be glad to receive a lot of help on this matter. And I mean a LOT.

RetroMan · 09 October 2001, 22:18

http://www.robsoft.co.uk/amiga/serial.shtml
http://www.blksheep.demon.co.uk/net.html
http://www.highantdev.de/adnet/tutor...ojan/index.php (german)
http://www.dynamix.force9.co.uk/siamese/serialtcp.htm

hope that´s enough stuff to read for a "Dummie"

have phun....

MethodGit · 10 October 2001, 00:30

The german page isn't of much use to me, but thanks anyway.

If it helps, what I am trying to aim at is to simply connect the two machines together and use AmigaTRANS on the PC to do the transferring. Is there any way to do this easily on a Celeron 450 with 64Mb Ram, Windows 95 OSR2, and aforementioned printer?

birdy-scc · 10 October 2001, 02:40

I looked at that first link, and everything that you need to know is there. Did you even look?

And maybe there will be someone German who will read this thread and be able to use that link?

Amiga1992 · 10 October 2001, 19:52

You could read the ANNOUNCEMENT and find useful info. Geez...

http://eab.abime.net/announcement.php?s=&forumid=20

Paul · 10 October 2001, 19:57

The German link can be translated into English with the google toolbar

MethodGit · 11 October 2001, 16:55

Look, right now, at this precise moment, I want instructions that relate to AmigaTRANS, not any other utils (I will try them later). I found a serial modem cable (IBM Compatible PRO Series, DB9 Female/DB25 Male, 1.8 metres) in the house somewhere. Will THIS cable help me out here?

RetroMan · 11 October 2001, 16:59

No it won´t help you out :P The serial cable you have to use has some lines crossed, else it would be a modem cable, not a serial link cable

Paul · 11 October 2001, 17:38

You already should know some info from the amigatrans link you mentioned yourself above.

http://www.agnus.org.uk/amigatrans

Looking at that site it has links to a Fourm and documentation

Amiga1992 · 11 October 2001, 18:00

Quote:

Originally posted by MarzAttakz
Look, right now, at this precise moment, I want instructions that relate to AmigaTRANS, not any other utils (I will try them later). I found a serial modem cable (IBM Compatible PRO Series, DB9 Female/DB25 Male, 1.8 metres) in the house somewhere. Will THIS cable help me out here?

Use that cable and burn your CIAs. Man, it's said everywhere:

NULL-MODEM CABLE, not IBM shenanigans. Go to a local PC surplus shop and ask for a null-modem cable. They will provide.

MethodGit · 11 October 2001, 19:20

I know about the forum on that page! In fact, the post marked "The first post" is mine!

Check it out for yourself!

@Akira:

What are CIAs? And what are the technical differences between serial and null-modem cables? Also, is there just one type of null-modem cable or are there several types? I already asked this question in the beginning, but it appears no-one got round to answering it.

Amiga1992 · 11 October 2001, 19:36

Do you give a shite? ust know that you dont want to burn'em.

Just make sure you get a null modem cable. theres one type of null modem cable. no other! geez

Twistin'Ghost · 12 October 2001, 00:23

Marz, CIA are I/O chips of which your A500 has two. I would expand, but I doubt you are interested if you have been using the Amiga for 10-ish years and don't know what CIA's are already (unless you are interested in ports and interrupts and the like...)

Here is an illustration of one from the A600/A1200 models. Ignore the arrow numberings, as they are just pointing to the first and last pins.

Amiga1992 · 31 October 2001, 19:19

Resurrecting an old thread here, becaue this might be of help.

Follow this great link and find out how to build your own nullmodem cable

That should set up anybody willing to do some DIY (I still dont know why cant you go out and buy a proper cable ;p)

TikTok · 31 October 2001, 19:43

I can just imagine the threads that will follow if Marz tries to build his own cable

Marz - how did your connection attempts go? Got any further yet? Got a cable yet?

Amiga1992 · 31 October 2001, 20:17

Quote:

Originally posted by TikTok
I can just imagine the threads that will follow if Marz tries to build his own cable

YEAH, don't even mention it. before he reads, a disclaimer: I take no responsibility if you fuckup your computer because of wiring your own shabby cable.

There, tha should do it :P

Codetapper · 31 October 2001, 21:16

I would personally advise AGAINST building your own cable. Here in NZ you can buy a serial null modem cable for $10 (about $4 US) or a parallel one for $15 ($7 US).

All the mucking around you are doing seems silly when you can get a ready made one and if it doesn't work you can take it back and get your money back.

I would buy a parallel cross-over cable myself and use the great program NetworkPC to connect your Amiga and PC. You get between 25k-40k per second (that is kilobytes not bits) and over a serial link between 2k and 5k (which wasn't reliable for me anyway).

NetworkPC comes on 2 disks, an Amiga one with installer and a PC one. You just start up the PC side, then link to it from your Amiga and suddely on the Amiga side you have pc:a, pc:c, pc:d etc...

I think it requires WB2 so if you don't have that, forget it. You can also image directly to the PC side so should work with just 1Mb memory in your Amiga:

diskwiz df0: pc:c/warez/marz_rules/latest/hot_stuff.adf

and vice versa:

diskwiz pc:c/warez/marz_rules/latest/hot_stuff.zip df0:

Good luck!

01 November 2001, 00:39

I would love to get hold of that hot_stuff.adf

I agree. Readymade is the way to go (although I made mine about 6 years ago

)

Amiga1992 · 01 November 2001, 15:37

That seems like a great program, where can I buy it?

BTW I am using Serial because it's easy to set up a PPP connection with linux using a null-modem

My Amiga likes it

09 October 2001, 22:11	#1
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	I need a dummies guide to making a link with the Amiga & PC with a cable. I'm thinking about trying to transfer my Amiga stuff through cable, but I only know the basic gist of how it's done, not on how to actually connect it up properly. I checked the back of my Hewlett Packard LaserJet 1100 printer (the LPT ports exist in printers only, right?) and noticed two ports: the power one (with a switch next to it), and another port which looks more like a flattened rectangular shaped-thing - is it an LPT port? Sorry, but I don't know a thing about printer ports as of now. Are there any important ports in the main computer that I need to use as well? Next, is there just one type of null-modem cable or are there several different ones? As you can see, I'd be glad to receive a lot of help on this matter. And I mean a LOT.

09 October 2001, 22:18	#2
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	Here we go ...... http://www.robsoft.co.uk/amiga/serial.shtml http://www.blksheep.demon.co.uk/net.html http://www.highantdev.de/adnet/tutor...ojan/index.php (german) http://www.dynamix.force9.co.uk/siamese/serialtcp.htm hope that´s enough stuff to read for a "Dummie" have phun....

11 October 2001, 17:38	#9
Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	You already should know some info from the amigatrans link you mentioned yourself above. http://www.agnus.org.uk/amigatrans Looking at that site it has links to a Fourm and documentation Attached Thumbnails

11 October 2001, 19:20	#11
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	@Paul I know about the forum on that page! In fact, the post marked "The first post" is mine! Check it out for yourself! @Akira: What are CIAs? And what are the technical differences between serial and null-modem cables? Also, is there just one type of null-modem cable or are there several types? I already asked this question in the beginning, but it appears no-one got round to answering it.

12 October 2001, 00:23	#13
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	Marz, CIA are I/O chips of which your A500 has two. I would expand, but I doubt you are interested if you have been using the Amiga for 10-ish years and don't know what CIA's are already (unless you are interested in ports and interrupts and the like...) Here is an illustration of one from the A600/A1200 models. Ignore the arrow numberings, as they are just pointing to the first and last pins. Attached Thumbnails

10 October 2001, 00:30	#3
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	The german page isn't of much use to me, but thanks anyway. If it helps, what I am trying to aim at is to simply connect the two machines together and use AmigaTRANS on the PC to do the transferring. Is there any way to do this easily on a Celeron 450 with 64Mb Ram, Windows 95 OSR2, and aforementioned printer?

10 October 2001, 02:40	#4
birdy-scc Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Glasgow Posts: 231	I looked at that first link, and everything that you need to know is there. Did you even look? And maybe there will be someone German who will read this thread and be able to use that link?

10 October 2001, 19:52	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,654	You could read the ANNOUNCEMENT and find useful info. Geez... http://eab.abime.net/announcement.php?s=&forumid=20

10 October 2001, 19:57	#6
Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	The German link can be translated into English with the google toolbar

11 October 2001, 16:55	#7
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	Look, right now, at this precise moment, I want instructions that relate to AmigaTRANS, not any other utils (I will try them later). I found a serial modem cable (IBM Compatible PRO Series, DB9 Female/DB25 Male, 1.8 metres) in the house somewhere. Will THIS cable help me out here?

11 October 2001, 16:59	#8
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	No it won´t help you out :P The serial cable you have to use has some lines crossed, else it would be a modem cable, not a serial link cable

11 October 2001, 19:36	#12
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,654	Do you give a shite? ust know that you dont want to burn'em. Just make sure you get a null modem cable. theres one type of null modem cable. no other! geez

31 October 2001, 19:19	#14
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,654	Resurrecting an old thread here, becaue this might be of help. Follow this great link and find out how to build your own nullmodem cable That should set up anybody willing to do some DIY (I still dont know why cant you go out and buy a proper cable ;p)

31 October 2001, 19:43	#15
TikTok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Malayasia Age: 43 Posts: 657	I can just imagine the threads that will follow if Marz tries to build his own cable Marz - how did your connection attempts go? Got any further yet? Got a cable yet?

31 October 2001, 21:16	#17
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,187	Don't build your own cable Marz I would personally advise AGAINST building your own cable. Here in NZ you can buy a serial null modem cable for $10 (about $4 US) or a parallel one for $15 ($7 US). All the mucking around you are doing seems silly when you can get a ready made one and if it doesn't work you can take it back and get your money back. I would buy a parallel cross-over cable myself and use the great program NetworkPC to connect your Amiga and PC. You get between 25k-40k per second (that is kilobytes not bits) and over a serial link between 2k and 5k (which wasn't reliable for me anyway). NetworkPC comes on 2 disks, an Amiga one with installer and a PC one. You just start up the PC side, then link to it from your Amiga and suddely on the Amiga side you have pc:a, pc:c, pc:d etc... I think it requires WB2 so if you don't have that, forget it. You can also image directly to the PC side so should work with just 1Mb memory in your Amiga: diskwiz df0: pc:c/warez/marz_rules/latest/hot_stuff.adf and vice versa: diskwiz pc:c/warez/marz_rules/latest/hot_stuff.zip df0: Good luck!

01 November 2001, 00:39	#18
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	I would love to get hold of that hot_stuff.adf I agree. Readymade is the way to go (although I made mine about 6 years ago )

01 November 2001, 15:37	#19
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,654	That seems like a great program, where can I buy it? BTW I am using Serial because it's easy to set up a PPP connection with linux using a null-modem My Amiga likes it

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