Cyberstorm MKIII/PPC and Memory issues... - Page 3

DarrenHD · 19 July 2021, 18:36

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Originally Posted by slaapliedje

Haha, nah they have all been 60ns SIMMs. For whatever reason, OS4.1's manual says to change it to 70ns. No idea why. I am sure I will mess with it again later today, the whole weekend was a shitshow...

With the fan there, I may even have the courage to close the case for the first time in years!

I believe it says 70ns in the manual not for any technical reason, but more to ensure stability for the customers.

Kin Hell · 20 July 2021, 16:33

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Originally Posted by DarrenHD

I believe it says 70ns in the manual not for any technical reason, but more to ensure stability for the customers.

Precisely.

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Originally Posted by slaapliedje

Seemed to run okay at 420mhz... when it runs. Mostly it is a test to see if the PPC is working. Hmm, I am getting blue... then a flash of purple, and a reboot from OS 4. Oh wait, it booted!

I would imagine that is OS4.xx Kicking it's ROM into Ram.

Good to hear you're booting okay now. Does it stay up for Hours running PPC Benchmarks or is it still crash city/shitshow-ville?

trixster · 20 July 2021, 23:45

I don’t own a csmk3 or csppc… but looking at http://members.iinet.net.au/~davem2/...ock/csppc.html for the description of what the oscillators do, it’s seems to me that if oscillator 3 is fitted it provides the clock for both 060 and the memory. The oscillator in position 2 then drives the scsi, motherboard clock and clock for a cvppc. That description does not say that memory timing remains on oscillator 2, and I’d be surprised if it did.

As I said, just my interpretation

whaka · 21 July 2021, 13:30

@trixster, it' not your interpretation. that's exactly how it work.

@Kin hell
of course there's no arguments when you take for one and only truth what you say and without questionning yourself... yes, there's no way for technical arguments.

so, ok. don't argue and let's play little kids :

you told me i didn't understand how to overclock thoses cards ?
well, actually, i never fried mine and can achieve stable 80 Mhz.
on the other hand... you said you fried yours.
so, what's conclusion ? who's gonna go rtfm ?

Kin Hell · 24 July 2021, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by whaka

@trixster, it' not your interpretation. that's exactly how it work.

@Kin hell
of course there's no arguments when you take for one and only truth what you say and without questionning yourself... yes, there's no way for technical arguments.

so, ok. don't argue and let's play little kids :

you told me i didn't understand how to overclock thoses cards ?
well, actually, i never fried mine and can achieve stable 80 Mhz.
on the other hand... you said you fried yours.
so, what's conclusion ? who's gonna go rtfm ?

slaapliedje · 24 July 2021, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kin Hell

Precisely.

I would imagine that is OS4.xx Kicking it's ROM into Ram.

Good to hear you're booting okay now. Does it stay up for Hours running PPC Benchmarks or is it still crash city/shitshow-ville?

Bah, it still crashes, though at least now it is after a few hours instead of right away. Seems a tad more stable with the FPM modules over the EDO. Though I have not tried running OS4 on it with FPM yet. I know before, if I try with 70ns set on the Cyberstorm, the memory check is more stable (doelwnloaded a newer version of Amiga Test Kit, as I had 1.6 and 1.18 is current as of a few days ago!). Still, left it running a memory test for a few hours (it got up to 9.1 before it failed).

Kin Hell · 25 July 2021, 19:52

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Originally Posted by slaapliedje

Bah, it still crashes, though at least now it is after a few hours instead of right away. Seems a tad more stable with the FPM modules over the EDO. Though I have not tried running OS4 on it with FPM yet. I know before, if I try with 70ns set on the Cyberstorm, the memory check is more stable (doelwnloaded a newer version of Amiga Test Kit, as I had 1.6 and 1.18 is current as of a few days ago!). Still, left it running a memory test for a few hours (it got up to 9.1 before it failed).

Got any SCSI Devices hanging off her?

If so, take them off & get some IDE effect happening, trying only OS3.xxx on a fresh install.

Leave FPM on board & set @ 70ns.

Make sure the 060 Drivers are from here:

>>>>

<<<<

Are you stable now?

slaapliedje · 25 July 2021, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kin Hell

Got any SCSI Devices hanging off her?

If so, take them off & get some IDE effect happening, trying only OS3.xxx on a fresh install.

Leave FPM on board & set @ 70ns.

Make sure the 060 Drivers are from here:

>>>>

<<<<

Are you stable now?

I think I tried the amigatestkit with no scsi devices attached at some point, trying it again to see if if bows out. But yeah, usually I have a SCSI CD-ROM and hard drive hooked up.

Edit: Added image. Seems to me it's always failing on this particular memory address. No matter which set of SIMMs I'm using. I did order some 16M SIMMs that are just one sided, so perhaps that'll give some more clearance between the CPLDs and the memory, at the sacrifice of 64MB of ram... though that BigRamPlus helps.

This is of course without any libraries installed, or hard drive / cdrom connected, and just the Gotek and normal Floppy connected. Though I do still have the mediator, voodoo, Rapid Road/X-Surf 100, and SB128 in there.

grelbfarlk · 27 July 2021, 04:55

I'm not sure which memory range is being tested there. 08000000 and lower would be your motherboard memory I think. And 80000000 would be your CSPPC RAM, maybe?

slaapliedje · 27 July 2021, 07:38

I am specifically choosing the 127.5mb chunk (as the other chunks listed are 2mb, 16mb and 256mb, it is a safe bet the 127.5mb is the cyberstorm). The other memory chunks can run for hours without problems.

alexh · 27 July 2021, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kin Hell

Got any SCSI Devices hanging off her?
If so, take them off & get some IDE effect happening, trying only OS3.xxx on a fresh install.

Might be worth a go at first, to see SCSI it is a factor on stability, but long term that shouldn't be the solution. The Wide SCSI 3 interface on the CS MKIII/PPC is one of it's best features. Shame not to use it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slaapliedje

yeah, usually I have a SCSI CD-ROM and hard drive hooked up.

Connecting a SCSI CD-ROM to the WIDE SCSI3 interface on a CS MKIII/PPC I *believe* reduces the bandwidth of all devices in the chain. If you just had a WIDE SCSI3 HDD and used an IDE CD-ROM I think you'd see much better performance.

slaapliedje · 27 July 2021, 17:13

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Originally Posted by alexh

Might be worth a go at first, to see SCSI it is a factor on stability, but long term that shouldn't be the solution. The Wide SCSI 3 interface on the CS MKIII/PPC is one of it's best features. Shame not to use it.

Connecting a SCSI CD-ROM to the WIDE SCSI3 interface on a CS MKIII/PPC I *believe* reduces the bandwidth of all devices in the chain. If you just had a WIDE SCSI3 HDD and used an IDE CD-ROM I think you'd see much better performance.

Well, the CD-ROM I am using is a Plextor PX-40TSUWi, which I believe is an Ultra-Wide drive, so shouldn't slow down the bus. The drive is the fastest I have seen the Amiga.

Kin Hell · 29 July 2021, 22:44

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Originally Posted by slaapliedje

Well, the CD-ROM I am using is a Plextor PX-40TSUWi, which I believe is an Ultra-Wide drive, so shouldn't slow down the bus. The drive is the fastest I have seen the Amiga.

Take all SCSI off & run the card with IDE action.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Might be worth a go at first, to see SCSI it is a factor on stability, but long term that shouldn't be the solution. The Wide SCSI 3 interface on the CS MKIII/PPC is one of it's best features. Shame not to use it.

Connecting a SCSI CD-ROM to the WIDE SCSI3 interface on a CS MKIII/PPC I *believe* reduces the bandwidth of all devices in the chain. If you just had a WIDE SCSI3 HDD and used an IDE CD-ROM I think you'd see much better performance.

Thx Alex!

I reckon if you sack the CDROM alone, all will be Golden!

Pull all off, add real HD's with Stability & watch it fail when you add the CDROM.

Just a hunch.

slaapliedje · 29 July 2021, 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kin Hell

Take all SCSI off & run the card with IDE action.....

Thx Alex!

I reckon if you sack the CDROM alone, all will be Golden!

Pull all off, add real HD's with Stability & watch it fail when you add the CDROM.

Just a hunch.

Did I do before what I just did now? Tried to post on my phone, then it loses network and decided not to actually post?

Yeah I've pulled both the CD-ROM and Hard drive off, so there is zero SCSI devices connected. Booted off the Gotek to the AmigaTestKit, and it still fails.

The rest of the components in the system are as follows;
Mediator (older version before they released the 3.3v one).
Voodoo 3
BigRAM Plus
Rapid Road / X-Surf
SB128
Indivision AGA (MKI, with VGA).

I do have the Gotek and the standard Floppy drive connected to it as well.

Edit: also it has a Buster rev 11.

Kin Hell · 31 July 2021, 11:45

Why not strip her down & see if the problem persists?

Just the the CS card in. No Mediator, no cards, ....just naked.

Fast running out of options here....

slaapliedje · 31 July 2021, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Kin Hell

Why not strip her down & see if the problem persists?

Just the the CS card in. No Mediator, no cards, ....just naked.

Fast running out of options here....

Ha, effort. I am testing only the 127.5mb bank of the cyberstorm. Every other RAM bank works fine. The system is also a rock if I remove the memory from the cyberstorm. But then then the PPC does not initialize.

Does anyone know if there is some sort of NVRAM on the board that marks what memory is in it? It seems to do some sort of memory check... but only the first time after I swap SIMMS.

Like I will swap, it takes just a tad longer to boot, flips the screen and freezes... then I power off and back on and it seems fine again. Just really odd behavior. Also the memtest will usually work longer after that.

I mean I can strio out all the things and see if it is just a weird stress the PCI board may be causing, but then what do I do with that, buy a newer mediator and test? Ha, I was thinking of putting it in my towered A4k, but it has less room than the desktop because of the way they are designed with a vertical plate to convert the daughterboard.

trixster · 31 July 2021, 17:26

Have you tried the CSPPC in a different machine?

slaapliedje · 31 July 2021, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

Have you tried the CSPPC in a different machine?

No, the only other Amiga I have that I could fit it in is a Towered A4000. So it has a weird daughter board adapter that raises it up and makes a large T above the A4000 motherboard. While it'd likely fit, getting everything out and swapping the board around is a royal pain in the butt, not one I'd like to repeat again soon (just upgraded that one to 3.2). Also that motherboard hasn't been recapped like this one.

Here are some thermal pics. It's running the memtest now (with the original memory from Stanchu). The FPM memory was doing a boot loop, so that's fun. I couldn't even hold ESC to get into the Cyberstorm menu.

Kin Hell · 11 August 2021, 18:07

Is it Stable on 3.1.4 ROMS or less? - Could be 3.2 ROM.

I understand there are Firmware updates for these cards. http://phase5.a1k.org/

On another note, have a read here!

http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.com/2...k3-512-ko.html

and here....

http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.com/2...512-ko-ii.html

Could be your issue if on 3.2 ROM.

Mad-Matt · 11 August 2021, 18:49

The firmware may only designed to hook into a 3.1 rom. Maybe better off using 3.1 and just boot load any updated libs you need. This ensures max compatibility.

11 August 2021, 18:07	#59
Kin Hell 0ld0r Git Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 1,570	Is it Stable on 3.1.4 ROMS or less? - Could be 3.2 ROM. I understand there are Firmware updates for these cards. http://phase5.a1k.org/ On another note, have a read here! http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.com/2...k3-512-ko.html and here.... http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.com/2...512-ko-ii.html Could be your issue if on 3.2 ROM. Last edited by Kin Hell; 11 August 2021 at 18:23.

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20 July 2021, 23:45	#43
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	I don’t own a csmk3 or csppc… but looking at http://members.iinet.net.au/~davem2/...ock/csppc.html for the description of what the oscillators do, it’s seems to me that if oscillator 3 is fitted it provides the clock for both 060 and the memory. The oscillator in position 2 then drives the scsi, motherboard clock and clock for a cvppc. That description does not say that memory timing remains on oscillator 2, and I’d be surprised if it did. As I said, just my interpretation

21 July 2021, 13:30	#44
whaka Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: France Posts: 102	@trixster, it' not your interpretation. that's exactly how it work. @Kin hell of course there's no arguments when you take for one and only truth what you say and without questionning yourself... yes, there's no way for technical arguments. so, ok. don't argue and let's play little kids : you told me i didn't understand how to overclock thoses cards ? well, actually, i never fried mine and can achieve stable 80 Mhz. on the other hand... you said you fried yours. so, what's conclusion ? who's gonna go rtfm ?

27 July 2021, 04:55	#49
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,902	I'm not sure which memory range is being tested there. 08000000 and lower would be your motherboard memory I think. And 80000000 would be your CSPPC RAM, maybe?

27 July 2021, 07:38	#50
slaapliedje Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 516	I am specifically choosing the 127.5mb chunk (as the other chunks listed are 2mb, 16mb and 256mb, it is a safe bet the 127.5mb is the cyberstorm). The other memory chunks can run for hours without problems.

31 July 2021, 11:45	#55
Kin Hell 0ld0r Git Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 1,570	Why not strip her down & see if the problem persists? Just the the CS card in. No Mediator, no cards, ....just naked. Fast running out of options here....

31 July 2021, 17:26	#57
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	Have you tried the CSPPC in a different machine?

11 August 2021, 18:49	#60
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	The firmware may only designed to hook into a 3.1 rom. Maybe better off using 3.1 and just boot load any updated libs you need. This ensures max compatibility.

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