Warez Doodz ???

Methanoid · 05 October 2001, 13:28

Anyone care to share their memories or confessions about warez scene activities?????????

Drake1009 · 05 October 2001, 14:04

I'd guess it would. Otherwise this thread would be fairly empty I think. Well maybe not. I don't know.

Puzzle · 05 October 2001, 14:12

I did some warez-trading back in 1995.

It was fairly innocent stuff. I called a few not-so-elite-boards here in Norway. Downloaded warez from one place, uploaded on the next place.

It was quite noticeable on the phonebill when I started doing that.

So I stopped doing it after a while. It was boring anyway.

However, I did get some games that way, like Alien Breed 3D and Breathless.

Methanoid · 05 October 2001, 14:26

"Lamers" welcome too!!! :-)

BTW, Puzzle, by the time U were trading the scene was virtually dead...

I didn't get into the modem scene until 1990.... my first download was Paradroid 90.... and due to memory addressing of my hard drive card it crashed my system with a red screen... I was gutted!!

I soon worked out it was better to run a BBS than to upload and download the stuff on my phonebill...

My fave Scandinavian BBS was Guru's Dream but I also remember a good FLT one.. name escapes me tho!

RetroMan · 05 October 2001, 16:55

I remember that back in good old Amiga Days, the best BBS´s to get stuff from were in USA, so we used BLUEBOXING to call there for free

but after a year or two, the US Companys shut down their free numbers and changed frequences, so it got very difficult ! BUT we found a 0130 number in SIAM or THAILAND or somwhere there and used that from now on .... the problem was, it was the ONLY number for phreaking available that days, so it was quite "busy"

Also there was a "real" person behin this number and any time we called, we heard a nice voice welcoming us, we laughed a lot and then throw her out of the line with 2 keypresses : "BEEEP BEEEEEEP" and the line was open to call

Oh I miss those old days, anyway I just digged out my old SEKA sources from our cracktros/intros think I will try to compile them again

Sad enough I only remember ONE BBS we called in US that days, it was called "4th dimension", anyone else remember it ? Maybe it still exists (allthough I doubt that), or maybe here´s any old member of that BBS ?? Who knows ....
Oh just one more statement : It wasn´t about money or promoting ourself that days, the point was, we LOVED gaming and nearly EVERY game we downloaded/swapped/traded/cracked ourself was also played by ourself for long .....

LaundroMat · 05 October 2001, 17:04

When entering uni, I discovered the joys of IRC (those joys are now totally lost to me), and especially #amigawarez on undernet.

I got acquinted with some UK guy called Ruskie who taught me some things about DevPac, keyfiles and so on, and I quickly began developing keymakers. I remember being severely excited when I suddenly saw a keyfile of mine being traded, and even mentioned on a board somewhere.

But soon the lame-ness began. While I did this for the challenge, others started comparing keyfile creators with one another, and looking which one was released first. Soon, I began to screen the new submissions at Aminet, in order to be able to quickly run home with a shareware title and try and hack its keyfile system. Needless to say, many a night's sleep was lost, and ultimately some very sloppy keymakers were released. I quit the thing then.

(Sidenote: I always wanted to relive the kick of finding out the keyfile check routines, so I guess I'll dive into WHDLoad (or whatever it's called) someday).

05 October 2001, 17:06

Quote:

(Sidenote: I always wanted to relive the kick of finding out the keyfile check routines, so I guess I'll dive into WHDLoad (or whatever it's called) someday).

eeek. That might not be a good idea with Codetapper lurking on this board

Methanoid · 05 October 2001, 18:19

Ah, BB-ing...

I remember when I appeared in court and amongst the evidence of my "wrong doing" was a perfect colour photo of my Miggy with BB software running... you could even read the numbers...

The prosecution QC said "And this program does something clever with the phone system"....

Hilarious!"!!

RetroMan · 05 October 2001, 18:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Methanoid
Ah, BB-ing...

The prosecution QC said "And this program does something clever with the phone system"....

Hilarious!"!!

:laugh:laugh:laugh

Methanoid · 05 October 2001, 23:42

Almost like Rowan Atkinson in Not The Nine O Clock News...

Funny thing also was that a friend worked in the Courthouse and told me later that the Judge used to hold "copy parties"...

hahahhaha that was funny....

Puzzle · 06 October 2001, 00:27

So you actually went to court (and jail?) for your warez-trading (or blueboxing) activities? Ouch!

I remember reading textfiles about busts in the scene... there were all sorts of rumours about that the police had started raiding sysops homes, and that this was only the beginning, and so on.

Anyway, it was crazy stuff. I'm quite glad that I got out of it fairly quickly.

Twistin'Ghost · 06 October 2001, 02:52

Us Amiga users here in the States never had to worry about cops because the software industry couldn't be bothered with Amiga warez traders (not in the USA!) They probably cared about some of the WHQ for several groups. My fav BBS was Ice Station Zebra. Another I used to call was the GOD WHQ, The Boiler Room. Once I called the LSD WHQ, but I thought they were quite rude. I'd typed up the docs to a game that was not on any of the docs disks, but they couldn't be bothered. Not exactly the impression you'd expect to get from them from looking at their disks.

I'm still pissed at LSD for that one...

And my months as a courier were very interesting, but very expensive. If the LD calls were free, I'd have loved it. But I could not just be a mere courier (that's work for the labour force!), so I became a sysop.

birdy-scc · 06 October 2001, 04:08

I'm sure I said this before, but it's worth repeating...

There is a shop about 2km from me that openly sells pirated software.

The law in Scotland says that you can only be prosecuted for copyright theft if you imply that the copy is an original.

A whole group of companies, Ocean, Elite, Martech, Activision etc clubbed together in the mid 80s to pay for a court case against some friends of mine in the Court Of Session, the highest court in Scotland. Scottish law is completely separate from English law, and is generally a lot fairer.

Their case was won, but settled solely on the products they had currently available at the time of the writ. And when you consider that the case took two years to come to court, this meant that the protection given was absolutely useless; because by that time everyone had the software anyway!

Another case was brought on the grounds that the copyright infringement was of magnetic information not the packaging, but this was thrown out by the judge because "it was too complicated for a jury to understand"

That's justice in action.

Codetapper · 06 October 2001, 21:18

Quote:

Originally posted by LaundroMat
I always wanted to relive the kick of finding out the keyfile check routines, so I guess I'll dive into WHDLoad (or whatever it's called) someday.

Well if you want to see a really complex protection which has over 200 keyfile check parts to it and if you fail it deletes your s:startup-sequence etc, by all means do it... I don't think anyones done a proper keyfile crack for it which actually works properly. The old dodgy ones generally crash the game after a while and stuff like saving in a game is almost guaranteed to crash the computer with a crack or fake keyfile.

07 October 2001, 02:03

Quote:

really complex protection which has over 200 keyfile check parts to it and if you fail it deletes your s:startup-sequence

Sweet protection! Makes me want to look at it (but I won't. Lack of time, and interest

)

Djay · 07 October 2001, 02:12

i still have my C64 modem (in the box), those were the good old days!!!

i remember going to a m8's house, pretty much the day i got my 500, he had a couple of disk-boxes full of stuff

, we then went around to his cousin's house (uk member of scoopex), F**K me did he have some disks!

in his study contained..... 3 amigas with quad copiers, various tape streamers and 5 full sized filling cabinets of Amiga disks, i was like all my christmas's at once....

he had a direct link to 5 very good BBS, which were never down, needless to say, i never had to bother to connect myself.

a couple of days l8r, me and my m8, cleared the local computer shop out of their entire stock of floppy disks!!!

all u need now is a burner and a few cdrs!!! oh yeah and broadband connection

Methanoid · 07 October 2001, 12:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Puzzle
So you actually went to court (and jail?) for your warez-trading (or blueboxing) activities? Ouch!

I remember reading textfiles about busts in the scene... there were all sorts of rumours about that the police had started raiding sysops homes, and that this was only the beginning, and so on.

Anyway, it was crazy stuff. I'm quite glad that I got out of it fairly quickly.

Urrrm yup, went to court nearly 3 years after I was raided.... really quite pointless as the "good guys" got no publicity and it was estimated that the whole thing cost the UK taxpayer about £500,000 (yes £ 1/2 million)... A QC, A Barrister, A Solicitor, Expert Witnesses, 10 days of Crown Court time...

The guy from the local Fraud Squad said to me (off record) that this was so sad as it was just one bunch of nerds raiding some other nerds and he wanted to deal with real crime!!! :-)

LaundroMat · 08 October 2001, 10:11

Quote:

Originally posted by Codetapper

Well if you want to see a really complex protection which has over 200 keyfile check parts to it and if you fail it deletes your s:startup-sequence etc, by all means do it... I don't think anyones done a proper keyfile crack for it which actually works properly.

Ack!

Now I understand Amigaboy's comment. I didn't mean thàt. I meant that I'd try and get into the floppy-to-HD coding stuff, and try and circumvent/patch the diskloading routines.

Now don't think you'll see something coming from me in the near future. I just want to look into it, 's all

.

But no, it doesn't interest me anymore to delve into and try to defy keyfile checking routines, CodeTapper.

(Although - no offence intended - I don't really believe what you said about the 200 routines and the startup-sequence deletion. You wouldn't really want to write 200 routines, now would you? You'd rather concentrate on making the software work. 200 routines equals 200 possible bugs, so you'd spend a hell of a time creating that. Also, the routine for deleting the startup-sequence could easily be circumvented, so what's its use?).

08 October 2001, 10:23

I searched the WHDLoad executable yesterday (can't remember which version. It was old though, about 1999) and I found no occurence of startup-sequence anywhere.

Is what you said really true Codetapper? Was it only put into effect on a newer executable?

Twistin'Ghost · 08 October 2001, 11:48

I have read reports from angry users of the fake keyfile (on Wagi's board, matter of fact) where they were pissin' and moanin' about their startup-sequence file being deleted. And I have seen postings of the fake key with warnings to not use it. That was all the enticement I needed to download the key. Never used a fake WHD key before or since, though. I just had to have it because of the controversy. I collect viruii, too. But then, I collect everything, don't I?

05 October 2001, 13:28	#1
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	Warez Doodz ??? Anyone care to share their memories or confessions about warez scene activities?????????

05 October 2001, 17:04	#6
LaundroMat Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In the cellar. With your mum. Age: 49 Posts: 404	I used to... When entering uni, I discovered the joys of IRC (those joys are now totally lost to me), and especially #amigawarez on undernet. I got acquinted with some UK guy called Ruskie who taught me some things about DevPac, keyfiles and so on, and I quickly began developing keymakers. I remember being severely excited when I suddenly saw a keyfile of mine being traded, and even mentioned on a board somewhere. But soon the lame-ness began. While I did this for the challenge, others started comparing keyfile creators with one another, and looking which one was released first. Soon, I began to screen the new submissions at Aminet, in order to be able to quickly run home with a shareware title and try and hack its keyfile system. Needless to say, many a night's sleep was lost, and ultimately some very sloppy keymakers were released. I quit the thing then. (Sidenote: I always wanted to relive the kick of finding out the keyfile check routines, so I guess I'll dive into WHDLoad (or whatever it's called) someday).

07 October 2001, 02:12	#16
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	back in the day i still have my C64 modem (in the box), those were the good old days!!! i remember going to a m8's house, pretty much the day i got my 500, he had a couple of disk-boxes full of stuff , we then went around to his cousin's house (uk member of scoopex), F**K me did he have some disks! in his study contained..... 3 amigas with quad copiers, various tape streamers and 5 full sized filling cabinets of Amiga disks, i was like all my christmas's at once.... he had a direct link to 5 very good BBS, which were never down, needless to say, i never had to bother to connect myself. a couple of days l8r, me and my m8, cleared the local computer shop out of their entire stock of floppy disks!!! all u need now is a burner and a few cdrs!!! oh yeah and broadband connection

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05 October 2001, 14:04	#2
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I'd guess it would. Otherwise this thread would be fairly empty I think. Well maybe not. I don't know.

05 October 2001, 14:12	#3
Puzzle Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 99	I did some warez-trading back in 1995. It was fairly innocent stuff. I called a few not-so-elite-boards here in Norway. Downloaded warez from one place, uploaded on the next place. It was quite noticeable on the phonebill when I started doing that. So I stopped doing it after a while. It was boring anyway. However, I did get some games that way, like Alien Breed 3D and Breathless.

05 October 2001, 14:26	#4
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	"Lamers" welcome too!!! :-) BTW, Puzzle, by the time U were trading the scene was virtually dead... I didn't get into the modem scene until 1990.... my first download was Paradroid 90.... and due to memory addressing of my hard drive card it crashed my system with a red screen... I was gutted!! I soon worked out it was better to run a BBS than to upload and download the stuff on my phonebill... My fave Scandinavian BBS was Guru's Dream but I also remember a good FLT one.. name escapes me tho!

05 October 2001, 16:55	#5
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	I remember that back in good old Amiga Days, the best BBS´s to get stuff from were in USA, so we used BLUEBOXING to call there for free but after a year or two, the US Companys shut down their free numbers and changed frequences, so it got very difficult ! BUT we found a 0130 number in SIAM or THAILAND or somwhere there and used that from now on .... the problem was, it was the ONLY number for phreaking available that days, so it was quite "busy" Also there was a "real" person behin this number and any time we called, we heard a nice voice welcoming us, we laughed a lot and then throw her out of the line with 2 keypresses : "BEEEP BEEEEEEP" and the line was open to call Oh I miss those old days, anyway I just digged out my old SEKA sources from our cracktros/intros think I will try to compile them again Sad enough I only remember ONE BBS we called in US that days, it was called "4th dimension", anyone else remember it ? Maybe it still exists (allthough I doubt that), or maybe here´s any old member of that BBS ?? Who knows .... Oh just one more statement : It wasn´t about money or promoting ourself that days, the point was, we LOVED gaming and nearly EVERY game we downloaded/swapped/traded/cracked ourself was also played by ourself for long .....

05 October 2001, 18:19	#8
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	Ah, BB-ing... I remember when I appeared in court and amongst the evidence of my "wrong doing" was a perfect colour photo of my Miggy with BB software running... you could even read the numbers... The prosecution QC said "And this program does something clever with the phone system".... Hilarious!"!!

05 October 2001, 23:42	#10
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	Almost like Rowan Atkinson in Not The Nine O Clock News... Funny thing also was that a friend worked in the Courthouse and told me later that the Judge used to hold "copy parties"... hahahhaha that was funny....

06 October 2001, 00:27	#11
Puzzle Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 99	So you actually went to court (and jail?) for your warez-trading (or blueboxing) activities? Ouch! I remember reading textfiles about busts in the scene... there were all sorts of rumours about that the police had started raiding sysops homes, and that this was only the beginning, and so on. Anyway, it was crazy stuff. I'm quite glad that I got out of it fairly quickly.

06 October 2001, 02:52	#12
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	Us Amiga users here in the States never had to worry about cops because the software industry couldn't be bothered with Amiga warez traders (not in the USA!) They probably cared about some of the WHQ for several groups. My fav BBS was Ice Station Zebra. Another I used to call was the GOD WHQ, The Boiler Room. Once I called the LSD WHQ, but I thought they were quite rude. I'd typed up the docs to a game that was not on any of the docs disks, but they couldn't be bothered. Not exactly the impression you'd expect to get from them from looking at their disks. I'm still pissed at LSD for that one... And my months as a courier were very interesting, but very expensive. If the LD calls were free, I'd have loved it. But I could not just be a mere courier (that's work for the labour force!), so I became a sysop.

06 October 2001, 04:08	#13
birdy-scc Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Glasgow Posts: 231	I'm sure I said this before, but it's worth repeating... There is a shop about 2km from me that openly sells pirated software. The law in Scotland says that you can only be prosecuted for copyright theft if you imply that the copy is an original. A whole group of companies, Ocean, Elite, Martech, Activision etc clubbed together in the mid 80s to pay for a court case against some friends of mine in the Court Of Session, the highest court in Scotland. Scottish law is completely separate from English law, and is generally a lot fairer. Their case was won, but settled solely on the products they had currently available at the time of the writ. And when you consider that the case took two years to come to court, this meant that the protection given was absolutely useless; because by that time everyone had the software anyway! Another case was brought on the grounds that the copyright infringement was of magnetic information not the packaging, but this was thrown out by the judge because "it was too complicated for a jury to understand" That's justice in action.

08 October 2001, 10:23	#19
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	I searched the WHDLoad executable yesterday (can't remember which version. It was old though, about 1999) and I found no occurence of startup-sequence anywhere. Is what you said really true Codetapper? Was it only put into effect on a newer executable?

08 October 2001, 11:48	#20
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	I have read reports from angry users of the fake keyfile (on Wagi's board, matter of fact) where they were pissin' and moanin' about their startup-sequence file being deleted. And I have seen postings of the fake key with warnings to not use it. That was all the enticement I needed to download the key. Never used a fake WHD key before or since, though. I just had to have it because of the controversy. I collect viruii, too. But then, I collect everything, don't I?

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